[B-Greek] Luke 17: 20-21

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sun Sep 20 20:00:38 EDT 2009


Fairly obviously, if ἐντός [ENTOS] + noun / pron = "within" then it would indicate that the soldiers were actually inside the walls (bricked in as in Poe's "A Cask of Amontillado").  I think it more likely that the soldiers were between one wall and another wall and another wall ...  They might thus be said to be between the walls or even "among" the walls.
 george
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I was provided a second example,  Thucydides’  [u]Peloponnesian War[/u] book 7.  [i]entos[/i] is used with the term [i]teichOn[/i], a plural most often meaning “walls”.   The clause translates as “within the walls”.  

Kinda sounds like your Josephus citation.  Regardless, I don't have a clue what it tells us.

Roger Hutchinson


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I find an instance of ἐντός [ENTOS] in Josephus with a pl noun



Ἄχαβος καὶ τὴν ἄλλην στρατιὰν ἐντὸς τῶν τειχῶν. 

AXABOS KAI THN ALLHN STRATIAN ENTOS TWN TEXWN.

 

Josephus, F., & Niese, B. (1888). Flavii Iosephi opera recognovit Benedictvs 

Niese ... (Ant 8.376). Berolini: apvd Weidmannos.

 

It is a tad unlikely that Josephus is stating that the soldiers were sealed up 

inside a wall but were rathe
r within the limits of the walls.

 

There are quite a number of instances of ἐντός [ENTOS] with a pl noun or pron in 

Philo, but this would take some time to sift.  I think the Josephus example is 

instructive regarding its usage.  

 



george

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… search for truth, hear truth, 

learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 

defend the truth till death.





- Jan Hus

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I am still involved in a discussion on Luke 17.



Can anyone tell me how often we find the combination? ENTOS + plural? appearing 

in Greek writings (hopefully, involving a group of people) outside the NT about 

the same time as the NT period and how it would/might be translated?



Roger Hutchinson


      


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