[B-Greek] John 6:45

Steve Runge srunge at logos.com
Tue Sep 22 14:54:21 EDT 2009


Gordon,

PAS is all inclusive, so I do not think there is much to be made about omitting some of the original addressees. The PAS hO... element serves to introduce a type-entity in order for Jesus to make a comment about him or her. He could have accomplished the same task using a EAN TIS AKOUSHi as in John 12:47. You do not find the plural used in this way for *people*, but rather for intangible *things*, as in John 4:29 or 10:41. 

Where you find the plural PANTES hOSOI..., it is reference to a generic plural, not the fabrication of a type-entity, as in Matt 22:10 where the servants are to bring all whom they find. In other words, it is used with the indicative and not the subjunctive. The same holds for John 10:8 where "all those who came before me" refers to specific individuals, even if we do not know who they are. See also Acts 5:36, 37.  Most "whosoever" formulations will be in the singular, though I am sure there are exceptions somewhere, probably in Mark. ;-)

One finds Jesus switching from second-person plural to the more specific second singular as he comes to the "personal application" of the message. Buth observed this phenomenon in Matthew's Sermon on the Mount, but I cannot remember where he mentions it. The same kind of meaningful variation is also found in Hebrew, discussed under the heading of "numeruswechsel" by Lenart De Regt and others. Having said this, the principle seems to apply to the second person, not the third. Creating hypothetical folks seems best done in the singular.

Steven Runge, DLitt (Biblical Languages)
Scholar-in-Residence
Logos Bible Software
www.ntdiscourse.org
 

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Subject: John 6:45

ἔστιν γεγραμμένον ἐν τοῖς
προφήταις· καὶ ἔσονται πάντες
διδακτοὶ θεοῦ·
πᾶς ὁ ἀκούσας παρὰ τοῦ πατρὸς καὶ
μαθὼν ἔρχεται πρὸς ἐμέ.
[ESTIN GEGRAMMENON EN TOIS PROFHTAIS· KAI ESONTAI PANTES DIDAKTOI QEOU· PAS hO AKOUSAS PARA TOU PATROS KAI MAQWN ERCETAI PROS EME.]

(KJV) It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
1)	 The ho can either be a definite article or a relative pronoun on
its own as I understand it
2)	Pas ho is singular and esontai is plural
3)	The prophecy is addressing Israel as the whole, all of them, my  
understanding
4)	Is it correct to conclude that pas ho is only some of the esontai  
pantes
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