[B-Greek] Gen. 19:14

Donald Vance donaldrvance at mac.com
Sun Sep 27 12:37:36 EDT 2009


I assume that it has been pointed out that "to take a woman" is a  
standard phrase in Classical Hebrew for "to marry a woman." The other  
common phrase being "to lift up a woman." For what it's worth...

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Donald R. Vance
donaldrvance at mac.com

On Sep 27, 2009, at 9:03 AM, Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>  
wrote:

> λαβε την γυναικα μου...παρακαλω, λαβε  
> την γυναικα μου!
> LABE THN GUNAIKA  MOU...PARAKALW, LABE THN GUNAIKA MOU!
>
> Mark L
>
>
> FWSFOROS MARKOS
>
> --- On Sun, 9/27/09, Vasile STANCU <stancu at mail.dnttm.ro> wrote:
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>
> From: Vasile STANCU <stancu at mail.dnttm.ro>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Gen. 19:14
> To: "'Herb Picoski'" <pic3lite at telus.net>, b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 1:39 AM
>
>
> It used to be quite normal in my childhood that people in my country  
> (especially in rural areas) should use such expressions like "they  
> have taken each other" for "they got married". There was no doubt at  
> that time that "taking each other" meant "getting married" and not  
> merely "joined", as it was considered shameful for a man and a woman  
> living together without getting married according to the customs of  
> the respective community. In the recent years however it has become  
> quite widespread with younger generations that couples may very well  
> live together without getting married - simply "joined", or under  
> "trial marriage". The same way, I believe, we can judge what people  
> in Lot's time would mean by λαμβάνω LAMBANW when applied to  
> man-woman relationship, based on the available evidence provided by  
> the text regarding social standards at that time.
>
>
>
> Vasile STANCU
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-greek- 
> bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Herb Picoski
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:58 AM
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [B-Greek] Gen. 19:14
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>
>
> ἐξηλθεν δέ Λωτ και ἐλαλησεν πρὸς   
> τοὺς γαμβροὺς αὐτου τοὺς  
> εἰληφότας τὰς θυγατέρας αὐτου καὶ  
> εἶπεν...
>
>
>
> Question 1) In this passage there seems to be a difference of  
> opinion between the KJV and NASB and Jewish Bible English as to the  
> tense of τοὺς εἰληφότας this participle. Should it be  
> 'who were married' or 'who will be married' or 'who had married'? My 
>  guess is perfect participle.
>
>
>
> Question 2) the word εἰληφότας is not available in my  
> dictionary. Does it mean married, wed or joined?
>
>
>
> Herb the Student
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