[B-Greek] e: Punctuation of John 9:3-4‏

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From: Nikolaos Adamou Ph.D. <nikolaos.adamou at gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Punctuation of John 9:3-4‏
To: rob.daniel at hp.com, sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org


Punctuation is not part of the text, although indicates the phonology
of the text (and Greeks used Greek to read loud) as well as syntax.
Thus, punctuation is important.

Textual Differences:

These two verses are transmitted with three textual differences,
although Robinson & Pierpont indicate only one (ἐμὲ /  
ἡμᾶς).  The
other difference is (με / ἡμᾶς)


Antoniadis and Robinson & Pierpont have the same text, but differ in
their punctuation.

Westcott/Hort and NA27/UBS4 have the same text, but differ in their  
punctuation.

Finally, Tischendorf 8th Ed. Has different text from all above.

Verse 3 is one sentence.  All separate the action of the verb from the
verb & its subject by semicolon, while Robinson & Pierpont by a comma.
  Semicolon takes more time than comma, and thus provides more
emphasis. Sarah is correct emphasizing the parallel structure of this
clause.

Verse 4 has two sentences having the same verb ἐργάζεσθαι  
separated by
semicolon. The second part explains the first.

Only Robinson & Pierpont put comma after νὺξ. Robinson & Pierpont in
general use more & different punctuation than Antoniadis.

For me, the important issue in this text is the difference between
(ἐμὲ / ἡμᾶς).  Me / us; it  is significant difference.

Christ is talking about Himself, and not Himself and the apostles.
That’s why in the next phrase is talking about being the light, ΦΩΣ
ΕΙΜΙ.  He (and not US) needs to work the works of the one He sent
HIM).

As far as the meaning of ἔργα, it is a different thing the  
“ἵνα
φανερωθῇ τὰ ἔργα τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ”  
from “ἐμὲ δεῖ ἐργάζεσθαι τὰ ἔργα
τοῦ πέμψαντός με ἕως ἡμέρα ἐστίν”. The  
second work is more general
than the first which is more specific.

ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 9:3 Greek NT: Greek Orthodox Church/ Ecumenical
Patriarchate / Antoniadis 1904/1911

ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς·
Οὔτε οὗτος ἥμαρτεν οὔτε οἱ γονεῖς  
αὐτοῦ,
ἀλλ’ ἵνα φανερωθῇ τὰ ἔργα τοῦ Θεοῦ  
ἐν αὐτῷ.
ἐμὲ δεῖ ἐργάζεσθαι τὰ ἔργα τοῦ  
πέμψαντός με ἕως ἡμέρα ἐστίν·
  ἔρχεται νὺξ ὅτε οὐδεὶς δύναται  
ἐργάζεσθαι.

The New Testament in the Original Greek: Byzantine Textform 2005The
New Testament in the Original Greek: Byzantine Textform 2005 Compiled
and Arranged by Maurice A. Robinson and William G. Pierpont

ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς,
Oὔτε οὗτος ἥμαρτεν οὔτε οἱ γονεῖς  
αὐτοῦ·
ἀλλ᾿ ἵνα φανερωθῇ τὰ ἔργα τοῦ θεοῦ  
ἐν αὐτῷ.
4 ἐμὲ δεῖ ἐργάζεσθαι τὰ ἔργα τοῦ  
πέμψαντός με ἕως ἡμέρα ἐστίν·
ἔρχεται νὺξ,
ὅτε οὐδεὶς δύναται ἐργάζεσθαι.

ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 9:3 Greek NT: Westcott/Hort
ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς·
οὕτε οὗτος ἥμαρτεν οὔτε οἱ γονεῖς  
αὐτοῦ ἀλλ’ ἵνα φανερωθῇ τὰ ἔργα  
τοῦ
θεοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ.
ἡμᾶς δεῖ ἐργάζεσθαι τὰ ἔργα τοῦ  
πέμψαντος με ἕως ἡμέρα ἐστίν·
ἔρχεται νὺξ ὅτε οὐδεὶς δύναται  
ἐργάζεσθαι.

NA27/UBS4: John 9:3
ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς·
οὔτε οὗτος ἥμαρτεν οὔτε οἱ γονεῖς  
αὐτοῦ,
ἀλλ᾿ ἵνα φανερωθῇ τὰ ἔργα τοῦ θεοῦ  
ἐν αὐτῷ.
4 ἡμᾶς δεῖ ἐργάζεσθαι τὰ ἔργα τοῦ  
πέμψαντός με ἕως ἡμέρα ἐστίν·
ἔρχεται νὺξ ὅτε οὐδεὶς δύναται  
ἐργάζεσθαι.

ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 9:3 Greek NT: Tischendorf 8th Ed.
ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς·
οὔτε οὗτος ἥμαρτεν οὔτε οἱ γονεῖς  
αὐτοῦ,
ἀλλ’ ἵνα φανερωθῇ τὰ ἔργα τοῦ θεοῦ  
ἐν αὐτῷ.
ἡμᾶς δεῖ ἐργάζεσθαι τὰ ἔργα τοῦ  
πέμψαντος ἡμᾶς ἕως ἡμέρα ἐστίν·
ἔρχεται νὺξ ὅτε οὐδεὶς δύναται  
ἐργάζεσθαι.

> APEKRIQH hO IHSOUS OUTE hOUTOS hHMARTEN OUTE hOI GONEIS AUTOU ALL'
> hINA FANERWQH TA ERGA TOU QEOU EN AUTW EME/hHMEIS DEI ERGAZESQAI TA
> ERGA TOU PEMYANTOS ME hEWS hHEMERA ESTIN ERCETAI NUX hOTE OUDEIS
> DUNATAI ERGAZESQAI

Robert --
I'm surprised no one has commented on the
OUTE ... OUTE (neither.. nor)construction,
nor on the dependent INA ("in order that") phrase,
nor on the words EN AUTW ("in him").

For me, these elements indicate that all of the words from APEKRIQH
through AUTW are related to each other and complete the same
thought/sentence.

Sarah ><>
Maryland





--
Nikolaos Adamou, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Business Management
CUNY/BMCC



-- 
Nikolaos Adamou, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Business Management
CUNY/BMCC


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