[B-Greek] Eph. 6:5 syntax
Richard Lindeman
oblchurch at msn.com
Mon Apr 5 15:19:08 EDT 2010
Elizabeth:
Right, I also read hWS TWi CRISTWi as going with the verb hUPAKOUETE and
it's all of its qualifiers. And it seems that the qualifiers of hUPAKOUETE
go all the way from 6:5 - 6:8 (The last modifier being EIDOTES).
Qualifiers of hUPAKOUETTE... (hWS TWi CRISTWi)
- META FOBOU KAI TROMOU EN hAPLOTHTI THS KARDIAS
- MH KAT OFQALMODOULIAN hWS ANQRWPARESKOI
- ALL hWS DOULOI CRISTOU POIOUNTES TO QELHMA TOU QEOU EK YUCHS
DOULEUONTES (a synonym for hUPAKOUETTE that continues its modifiers)
(hWS TWi CRISTWi is repeated here to indicate continuation)
- MET EUNOIAS
- EIDOTES hOTI, etc.
I see the interpretive explanation of EN hAPLOTHTI THS KARDIAS as given by
the words MH KAT OFQALMODOULIAN hWS ANQRWPARESKOI.
I see the interpretation explanation of META FOBOU KAI TROMU as given by the
words POIOUNTES TO QELHMA TOU QEOU EK YUCHS.
Rich Lindeman
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> From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Eph. 6:5 syntax
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>> On 4/4/10 9:37 PM, "Richard Lindeman" <oblchurch at msn.com> wrote:
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>>> Elizabeth:
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>>> I do not associate the "fear and trembling with Christ so much as with
>>> POIOUNTES TO QELHMA TOU QEOU EK YUCHS. On the other hand, EN hAPLOTHTI THS
>>> KARDIAS hUMWN is what I associate more closely with TWi CRISTWi.
>>>
>>> Rich Lindeman
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> Richard,
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> In all this discussion I neglected to address the sytnax of Eph. 6:5
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> Eph. 6:5 ?? ??????, ????????? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ??
> ???????? ??? ??????? ???? ?? ?? ??????, 6 ?? ???? ?????????????? ??
> ????????????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? ????????? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ?????, 7
> ???? ??????? ??????????? ?? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?????????,
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> Eph. 6:5 hOI DOULOI, hUPAKOUETE TOIS KATA SARKA KURIOIS META FOBOU KAI TROMOU
> EN hAPLOTHTI THS KARDIAS hUMWN hWS TWi CRISTWi, 6 MH KAT? OFQALMODOULIAN hWS
> ANQRWPARESKOI ALL? hWS DOULOI CRISTOU POIOUNTES TO QELHMA TOU QEOU EK YUCHS,
> 7 MET? EUNOIAS DOULEUONTES hWS TWi KURIWi KAI OUK ANQRWPOIS, EIDOTES hOTI
hEKASTOA EAN TI POIHSH AGAQON, TOUTO KOMISETAI PARA KURIOU, EITE DOULOS EITE
ELEUQEROS.
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> Eph. 5:21 ????????????? ???????? ?? ???? ???????,
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> Eph. 5:21 hUPOTASSOMENOI ALLHLOIS EN FOBWi CRISTOU,
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> P.T. O'Brien (Eph. Pillar) reads hWS TWi CRISTWi with the verb hUPAKOUETE
> and it's qualifiers. In other words, Paul is telling the hOI DOULOI to submit
> to thier earthly masters META FOBOU KAI TROMOU and EN hAPLOTHTI THS KARDIAS,
> **in the same manner** hWS they would submit TWi CRISTWi. I agree with
> O'Brien. That is why I cited the text in first place, to use Eph. 6:5 as a
> commentary on 5:21 EN FOBWi CRISTOU.
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> The next verse has two hWS constituents, the second one hWS DOULOI CRISTOU is
> interesting. Perhaps we should understand it as looking all the way back to
> hUPAKOUETE.
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> On Apr 5, 2010, at 5:23 AM, Richard Lindeman wrote:
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>> Let me restate my thought. Yes, it is fear and trembling of Christ, but it
>> is not a fear in connection with his "terror of person", but rather a fear
>> and trembling in connection with his "glory of person". Huge difference.
>>
>> And having stated that, let me also apologize for failing to comment upon
>> the Greek in this matter. I suppose that another approach might be to take
>> FOBOU CHRISTOU as being "fear in connection with Christ" (aka mystical
>> union) rather than "fear of Christ" (Christ as object).
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>> I am making this argument from context...
>> CHRISTOS ANESTH, ANESTH ALHTHWS
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>> Rich Lindeman
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>> On 4/4/10 9:37 PM, "Richard Lindeman" <oblchurch at msn.com> wrote:
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