[B-Greek] Fw: Recommendation for Koine Greek text
Kevin W. Woodruff
cierpke at prodigy.net
Wed Apr 14 10:40:31 EDT 2010
Gene;
Although I love and use Mounce, I would recommend the Dan McCartney's revision of Machen. It's a bit pricey (retails for $70)
New Testament Greek for Beginners (2nd Edition) (Hardcover)
Hardcover: 400 pages
Publisher: Prentice Hall; 2 edition (October 11, 2003)
ISBN-10: 013184234X
ISBN-13: 978-0131842342
Kevin
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--- On Wed, 4/14/10, Gene Cockerham <gene.cockerham at ncpres.org> wrote:
> From: Gene Cockerham <gene.cockerham at ncpres.org>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Fw: Recommendation for Koine Greek text
> To: "'Michael Lawson'" <dikaiosune_7 at msn.com>, "'b-greek'" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 10:02 AM
> The first Greek class I took more
> than 10 years ago was with Machen's
> original 1920's text. I am currently teaching Greek
> at a small Christian
> school in Maryland and have found his methods to be
> indispensible. My
> students are 7th & 8th graders, 50% of which have come
> from public grammar
> schools and therefore have had no formal grammar
> lessons. Without Machen's
> style of repetition, simple introductory exercises, and
> English to Greek
> translation I would never get through to these
> students. We had chosen
> Mounce's text for our curriculum, but I find that his
> audience had to be
> rhetoric age students and his method of using scripture for
> his exercises,
> while he translates for you, all of the words and parts of
> speech that he
> hasn't yet introduced to be as cumbersome as this sentence
> that I just
> wrote.
>
> Does any know of any other curricula that teaches Greek at
> a logic level of
> learning?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]
> On Behalf Of Michael Lawson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:34 PM
> To: b-greek
> Subject: [B-Greek] Fw: Recommendation for Koine Greek text
>
> Ernie and Berel,
>
> I am on the last chapter of the first edition of Machen's
> New Testament
> Greek for Beginners. There are 33 chapters
> by the way. There is a study guide with an answer key put
> out by David L.
> Thompson. The study guide is very thorough
> but there are some errors in the answer key, more than I
> expected. You are
> correct that the end of the book, namely
> the last two chapters are rushed. Overall, despite
> criticism of the book
> being antiquated by some in b-greek,
> the book's main benefit is the English to Greek translation
> exercises in my
> opinion. I found that I learned the
> material better than the book I originally studied which
> was Summer's
> Essentials of New Testament Greek. One
> can also search under Yahoo! Groups with the search word
> <Machen> to see our
> group's answers to the exercises
> under the messages' link if a study guide is not
> appropriated. Thompson also
> gives you translation exercises from
> the New Testament in each chapter of his study guide but
> not from the
> Septuagint.
>
> Michael Lawson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ernest Sjogren<mailto:esjogren at nc.rr.com>
>
> To: Berel Beyer<mailto:berelbeyer at gmail.com>
> ;
> greekstudy at nxport.com<mailto:greekstudy at nxport.com>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Recommendation for Koine Greek text
>
>
> Berel,
>
> > learn Koine Greek specifically with an eye to
> reading the Septuagint.
>
> If the student will accept a traditional
> approach, Machen's New Testament
>
> Greek for Beginners is good. There's a new
> edition that I haven't seen,
> but
> the old one was republished constantly from 1923, so
> it should not be hard
>
> to find, although it is often a bit pricey, for as
> small a book as it is.
>
> It is like (if you don't know it) a very bare-bones
> Wheelock, but for
> koine
> Greek. If I recall correctly, the end is a bit
> rushed, and in a couple of
>
> places too-similar material is presented in the same
> (consecutive?)
> chapter(s), but I used it 20 years ago, helped by an
> extremely kind friend
>
> who corrected the exercises, and it was excellent.
>
> Towards the end of working through it I easily began
> reading Mark, then
> the
> other Evangelists, and then Tobit from the
> Septuagint, etc
>
> But it is _very_ traditional. Grammar
> presentation, paradigms to
> memorize,
> and vocabulary to learn. 20 (usually)
> Greek-to-English and nearly as many
>
> English-to-Greek sentences per chapter, of which
> there are about 38. You
> would have to correct the exercises for the student,
> or a key would have
> to
> be found. There is no "cultural studies" type
> of material, other than
> what
> is in the introduction. That sort of thing
> would have to come from
> elsewhere, if it is important to the student.
>
> Ernie Sjogren
>
> P.S.--I could be wrong about the number of chapters.
> I do not have a copy
> in
> English, here, but my Russian translation ("and
> adaptation") has only 33
> chapters.
>
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