[B-Greek] Romans 16:1

cwconrad2 cwconrad2 at mac.com
Tue Dec 21 19:20:20 EST 2010







On Dec 21, 2010, at 04:38 PM, Terry Cook <cookie99 at fuse.net> wrote:

> I've been waiting for further input but seeing none forthcoming let me prove
> my lack of knowledge before the whole world- the example from LSJ, as far as
> I can tell does not once use a fem article with a masc noun.
> It is my understanding that the article tells us what the gender of its noun
> is. So, the article and its noun are ALWAYS the same gender.
> What don't I understand in this conversation?

What you're missing is that in the sections of LSJ cited below:

(a) that θήλεια θεός involves a feminine adjective applied to a noun θεός, proving that θεός may be understood as referring to a goddess;

(b) In τοῖς θεοῖς εὔχομαι πᾶσι καὶ πάσαις, that πάσαις is a modifier of τοῖς θεοῖς, which must therefore be understood as having common gender;

(c) ἁ Διὸς θεός: where ἁ is the feminine article, equivalent to Attic-Ionic ἡ

(d) ἡ νέρτερα θεός = Persephone, "the nether goddess"

The evidence cited in LSJ by Daniel Streett is altogether convincing that the noun θεός
was understood to have common gender and could be used of a goddess as well as of
a masculine god.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)



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> From: "nikolaos kadamou" <ntgreekreader at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 9:05 PM
> To: "Daniel Streett" <danstreett at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Biblical Greek Mailing List" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Fwd: Romans 16:1
>
> > see
> > μήτε θήλεια θεός
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Daniel Streett <danstreett at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Actually, LSJ gives numerous references where θεός (QEOS) is used with
> >> the
> >> fem. article, often to refer to Athena:
> >>
> >> θεός fem., goddess, μήτε θήλεια θεός, μήτε τις ἄρσην Il.8.7, cf.
> >> Hdt.2.35,
> >> al.; τοῖς θεοῖς εὔχομαι πᾶσι καὶ πάσαις D.18.1, cf. 141, Orac.ib.21.52;
> >> esp.
> >> at Athens, of Athena, Decr. ap. And.1.77, Pl.Ti.21a, etc.; ἁ Διὸς θεός,
> >> Ζηνὸς ἡ θ., S.Aj.401 (lyr.), 952 (ἡ Διὸς θεά ib.450); of other goddesses,
> >> ποντία θεός PiI. 8(7).36; ἡ νερτέρα θ.,= Περσεφόνη, S.OC1548, etc.; of
> >> Thetis, Pl. Ap.28c; of Niobe, S.El.150 (lyr.), Ant.834 (anap.): in dual,
> >> of
> >> Demeter and Persephone, τὰ τοῖν θεοῖν ψηφίσματα Ar.V.378 (lyr.); οὐδ'
> >> ἔδεισε
> >> τὼ θεώ And.1.125; freq. in oaths, νὴ τὼ θεώ Ar.Lys.112; μὰ τὼ θεώ
> >> Id.Ec.155,532.
> >>
> >> Daniel R. Streett
> >> Asst. Prof. of Greek and NT
> >> Criswell College, Dallas, TX
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:53 PM, nikolaos kadamou
> >> <ntgreekreader at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Mark, Θεὸς/θεὰ
> >>> in everything else you are right
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > <Certain nouns in Greek are "epicene" (or "common") in that their form
> >>> > is the same for both masculine and feminine but their gender depends
> >>> > on whom the noun is referring to. DIAKONOS (aide) is one of them.
> >>> > PARQENOS (virgin) is another.>
> >>> >
> >>> > θεος (QEOS) is another one. Even ανθρωπος (ANQRWPOS.)
> >>>
> >>
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