[B-Greek] 1Cor. 6:11 change of state

Bryant J. Williams III bjwvmw at com-pair.net
Mon Feb 15 01:11:56 EST 2010


Dear Elizabeth,

It appears that the issue goes back to 5:1. 5:1-6:20, although divided by
dealing the problem of incest (5:1ff) and the suing of fellow Christians in a
non-Christian court (6:1-8) actually deals with the issue of immorality. Whether
it is incest, standing on one's rights (usually involving inheritance rights,
but not always), formication, idolatry, adultery, homosexuality, theft,
coveteousness (greed), etc., it does not matter. It is still not to be found
within the Christian congregation. PERIOD!

hHTE, 2nd person Singular Imperfect Indicativeof EIMI (could also by Present
Indicative) indicates that the persons addressed, that is the Corinthian
Christians of the letter, had at one time been known to be habitually guilty of
the previous mentioned sins (of course, not an exhaustive list). ALLA, but on
the contrary followed by 3 Aorist verbs, all 2nd person singular Indicatives,
point to the fact that the Corinthian Christians were no longer practicing the
above mentioned sins, "you were washed, you were sanctified, you were
justified."

Finally, 6:19-20 pretty much says it all. We belong to God.

Beyond what I have said could be beyond the list guidelines and would be better
said off-list.

En Xristwi,

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Kline" <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
To: "greek B-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:16 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] 1Cor. 6:11 change of state


>
> 1Cor. 6:11 καὶ ταῦτά τινες ἦτε· ἀλλὰ ἀπελούσασθε, ἀλλὰ ἡγιάσθητε, ἀλλὰ
ἐδικαιώθητε ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι τοῦ κ.υρίου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ καὶ ἐν τῷ πνεύματι τοῦ θεοῦ
ἡμῶν.
> .
> 1Cor. 6:11 KAI TAUTA TINES HTE· ALLA APELOUSASQE, ALLA hHGIASQHTE, ALLA
EDIKAIWQHTE EN TWi ONOMATI TOU KURIOU IHSOU CRISTOU KAI EN TWi PNEUMATI TOU QEOU
hHMWN.
> .
> This verse follows a vice list or better yet a list of perpetrators associated
with various vices. We will call this a vice list for short. This question isn't
about the vices. Again; we are NOT interested at this point in the referents or
meaning of the individual terms in the vice list. Let's just eliminate that
question from the discussion.
>
> In 1Cor. 6:11 Paul addresses a change of state in past time KAI TAUTA TINES
HTE. Apparently Paul's addressees at some time in the past had a life that was
characterized by one or more of the activities referenced in the vice list in
such a manner that they could be referred to by the perpetrator terms used in
the vice list. Paul uses three terms to indicate the change of state ALLA
APELOUSASQE, ALLA hHGIASQHTE, ALLA EDIKAIWQHTE. Then he proceeds to warn his
addressees against participation in activities of a similar nature.
>
> Is it safe to assume that the addressees are the same throughout? In other
words is Paul's warning addressed to the same group of people [identical
individuals]  referenced in  KAI TAUTA TINES HTE and ALLA APELOUSASQE ...
EDIKAIWQHTE? If so, what is the basis for his warning. Are these people
continuing to participate in these activities listed in the vice list? If they
are continuing to participate why are they no longer considered perpetrators? In
other words why the past tense followed by ALLA?  KAI TAUTA TINES HTE ... ALLA
APELOUSASQE ... .
>
> In Paul's mind the change of state represented by ALLA APELOUSASQE ...  is
incompatible with participation in the activities represented in vice list. But
his warning implies that there are some people among his addressees who have
undergone the change of state but still participate. How can this be? We seem to
have people who are no longer considered perpetrators but they are still
perpetrating.
>
> I am not looking for a discourse on sanctification. Just trying to understand
Paul's logic in this passage. Perhaps Paul's warning is directed at people who
are being influenced by perpetrators but are not actually participating, but at
risk of being influenced. This would resolve the logical problem. However, the
language of the text doesn't seem to allow for that reading.
>
>
> Elizabeth Kline
>
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>
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