[B-Greek] John 2:4 TI EMOI KAI SOI

Albert Pietersma albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Fri Feb 19 17:16:45 EST 2010


Splendid, Daniel.  Yes, indeed, that is good evidence. Thus it is  
clear that in the AD 1 - AD 2 the expression was good Greek.
Loeb (Oldfather) glosses the phrases as  "What are they to me" and  
"What have I to do with you, fellow?"  respectively.
Al
On Feb 19, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Daniel Streett wrote:

> Epictetus's Diatribes has the following:
> 1.27.14 εἶτα τὸ τελευταῖον, ὅταν μήτε  
> τὰ πράγματα μεταθεῖναι δυνηθῶ μήτε  
> τὸν ἐμποδίζοντα ἐκτυφλῶσαι,  
> κάθημαι καὶ στένω καὶ ὃν δύναμαι  
> λοιδορῶ, τὸν Δία καὶ τοὺς θεοὺς  
> τοὺς ἄλλους· εἰ γὰρ μὴ  
> ἐπιστρέφονταί μου, τί ἐμοὶ καὶ  
> αὐτοῖς;
> EITA TO TELEUTAION, hOTAN MHTE TA PRAGMATA METAQEINAIDUNHQW MHTE TON  
> EMPODIZONTA EKTUFLWSAI, KAQHMAI KAI STENW KAI hON DUNAMAI LOIDORW,  
> TON DIA KAI TOUS QEOUS TOUS ALLOUS· EI GAR MHEPISTREFONTAI MOU, TI  
> EMOI KAI AUTOIS;
>
> 2.19.19 οὐχὶ θάνατός ἐστι τὸ  
> κινδυνευόμενον ἢ δεσμωτήριον ἢ  
> πόνος τοῦ σώματος ἢ φυγὴ ἢ ἀδοξία;  
> τί γὰρ ἄλλο; μή τι κακία, μή τι  
> μέτοχον κακίας; σὺ οὖν τίνα ταῦτα  
> ἔλεγες;’ ‘τί ἐμοὶ καὶ σοί,  
> ἄνθρωπε; ἀρκεῖ ἐμοὶ τὰ ἐμὰ κακά.’
> OUCI QANATOS ESTI TO KINDUNEUOMENON H DESMWTHRION H PONOS
> TOU SWMATOS H FUGH H ADOXIA; TI GAR ALLO; MH TI KAKIA, MH TI METOCON
> KAKIAS; SU OUN TINA TAUTA ELEGES;’ ‘TI EMOI KAI SOI, ANQRWPE;  
> ARKEI
> EMOI TA EMA KAKA.’
>
> Would these count as evidence that it was normal Greek usage?
>
> Daniel R. Streett
> Assistant Professor of Greek and NT
> Criswell College
> Dallas, Texas
>
> > Beware, since Septuagint translations cannot be relied upon for  
> normal
> > Greek usage. In the cases you cite, the construction is an exact
> > reflex of the Hebrew.
> > Al Pietersma
>

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