[B-Greek] Colossians 1:16 TA PANTA ... EITE ... EITE

Mark Lightman lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Fri Feb 19 21:42:45 EST 2010


Nicky egrapse:
 
<Mostly it is said that the EITE … EXOUSIAI phrase amplifies
 only TA ANORATA. Why would this be the preferred understanding?
 Is there anything in the grammar that justifies that? Since the first
 and fourth parts have TA PANTA I would assume that the EITE
 phrase applies to both TA hORATA and TA ANORATA.>
 
Hi, Nicky,
 
I'm surprised anyone would take it that way.  I don't see
anything in the Greek to indicate that. "The visible and
the invisible" and "the things on earth and the things in
Heaven" are just two, more vivid ways of saying 
"everything."  I think this is common in Hebrew and I 
think there is some word for it in rhetoric but I cannot
remember what it is. We do it in English:
 
"You were my North, my South, my East my West
My workday week and my Sunday rest...
 
 
Do some want to suggest that the KURIOTHTES KTL are
are always visible?  I agree with your take.     


Mark L


FWSFOROS MARKOS

--- On Fri, 2/19/10, Nicky de Jong <nicky_dejong at sil.org> wrote:


From: Nicky de Jong <nicky_dejong at sil.org>
Subject: [B-Greek] Colossians 1:16 TA PANTA ... EITE ... EITE
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 12:20 PM


I am trying to understand how the third part of Col. 1:16 relates to the rest of the verse.



ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ ἐκτίσθη τὰ πάντα ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, 

τὰ ὁρατὰ καὶ τὰ ἀόρατα, 

εἴτε θρόνοι εἴτε κυριότητες εἴτε ἀρχαὶ εἴτε ἐξουσίαι· 

τὰ πάντα δι᾽ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰς αὐτὸν ἔκτισται·

hOTI EN AUTWi EKTISQH TA PANTA EN TOIS OURANOIS KAI EPI THS GHS,

TA hORATA KAI TA ANORATA,

EITE QRONOI EITE KURIOTHTES EITE ARCAI EITE EXOUSIAI·

TA PANTA DI’ AUTOU KAI EIS AUTON EKTISAI·



Mostly it is said that the EITE … EXOUSIAI phrase amplifies only TA ANORATA. Why would this be the preferred understanding? Is there anything in the grammar that justifies that? Since the first and fourth parts have TA PANTA I would assume that the EITE phrase applies to both TA hORATA and TA ANORATA. 

Verse 20 has a similar pattern: … τὰ πάντα … εἴτε τὰ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς εἴτε τὰ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς … TA PANTA … EITE TA EPI THS GHS EITE TA EN TOIS OURANOIS.



Any thoughts?



Nicky de Jong

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