[B-Greek] RE; John 2:4 TI EMOI KAI SOI

Louis Sorenson llsorenson at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 19 22:20:51 EST 2010


I think in English (American) we have a similar phrase which one hears in gangster movies 

What's it to you!

Usually, it is person with a crass Bostonian accent speaking 
(or a New York Italian mobster).

This phrase is spoken when someone intrudes on a rash, angry 
and bold person's world.  Often expletives (curse words) will accompany
 "What's it to you!" in English.  The intent of the statement in 
English, is, "Leave me alone!" "Don't Mess with me!" or even
"I'm warning you (if you don't stop harassing me, there is going 
to be trouble!" The English phrase is loaded with emotional content.
It is spoken in confrontational situations. 

I don't think the Greek 

ΤΙ ΕΜΟΙ ΚΑΙ ΣΟΙ

is much different than the English (truncated as TI KAI SOI) statement.

Louis Sorenson




On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Patrick Narkinsky
<patrick at narkinsky.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  It would be in my mind in everyday English, (reading from between
>> lines to feel what's going on between the son and the mother):
>>
>> "You're bringing me your concern, aren't you, my dear?"
>
>
> Which sort of leads into my question about this verse.  I've heard people
> express concern about how "rude" this phrase seems, coming from Jesus to his
> mother.  In this thread, I've heard proposals that ranged from quite abrupt
> ("what's that got to do with me") to the very gentle (Oun Kwon's rendering)
>
> Do we have any good basis in the literature on which to judge the emotional
> connotation of this phrase?
>
> Patrick Narkinsky
>
> --
> Patrick Narkinsky

Hi Patrick,

'Do you have any good basis in the literature?' you asked. But I don't.

I confess, however, this phrase is one of those which have been vexing
me for a decade. I
have visited this text so often, and spent so much time on it. I could
see what it says, but I could not pinpoint what it tells. (BTW most
agree there is nothing rude about in His addressing with GUNAI.)

We have to put ourselves into their mind set in such different culture
at far away place and time to be able to read from btw the lines - to
feel their mutual love and to get a hint of what was going through His
mind. He knows His time has come - the time to get on His way as His
Father passed away by this time (as most believe). He must have been
telling His mother about His future plan often, if not explicit but
enough to His mother know about His destiny.

Though slowly and inevitably a-changing, the culture I have grown up
in is quite similar to theirs. And that makes somewhat easier for me
to get immersed as one of the characters in the narrative for
listening and observing and getting a feel of it.

Oun Kwon.
 		 	   		  
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