[B-Greek] harmartiology and the NFL
Leonard Isaksson
leonardo1orchardcity at mac.com
Tue Jan 26 13:34:06 EST 2010
Those Hellenists teaching Greek are left in debt to this sport writer,
and you have handed off, or brought farther afield one illustration of
this word, αμαρτια.
Leonard Isaksson
On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Eric Inman wrote:
> ESPN Sports uses "hamartia" to refer to Favre's "fatal flaw,"
> apparently taken from Aristotle's use of the term to refer to a
> "tragic flaw."
>
> See
> <http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/
> 100126&sportCat=nfl>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/
> 100126&sportCat=nfl
>
> Eric Inman
>
>
>
> On the other hand, success and failure in the game in question
>
> might more honestly be weighed in terms of what Garrett Hartley
>
> did in overtime after the quarterbacks dueled back and forth in
>
> dubious battle for 60 minutes of regulation time. To the place-
>
> kicker goes the DOXA; OU GAR hHMARTEN EKEINOS,
>
> ALL' EBALEN AKRIBWS.
>
> Carl W. Conrad
>
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Leonard Isaksson wrote:
>
>> Thank you for this fine contribution. As one Packer fan who had begun
>
>> to cheer for φαρβν, even though he went to play for our old foes, the
>
>> Vikings(they had a great, thrilling season), your inclusion of this
>
>> modern electronic papyri note is an opportune comment.
>
>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Mark Lightman wrote:
>
>>
>
>>> Apparently, there ARE some Koine speakers in the Upper Midwest
>
>>> who still use these words to mean something like "I throw at a
>
>>> receiver" and "I get intercepted." A forlorn Viking Fan posted this
>
>>> song, sung to the tune of the "Should I stay or should I go now?"
>
>>> by the Clash:
>
>>>
>
>>> ἐστιν ωδη τῷ Βρεττ. Φαρβῃ
>
>>>
>
>>> τὶ ὁ βρεττ φαρβη εφρωνησεν...
>
>>>
>
>>> ἢ ὰν μένω ἢ ἂν βάλλω;
>
>>> ἢ ἂν μένω ἢ ἂν τρέχω;
>
>>> οἰδᾶσιν ὅτι γέρων ἐγώ.
>
>>> οἰδᾶσιν ὅτι ἁμαρτήσω.
>
>>> οὐκ εἰς αἰῶνας διαμενῶ.
>
>>> ἢ ὰν μένω ἢ ἂν βάλλω;
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> I will only transliterate the
>
>>> first line
>
>>>
>
>>> H AN MENW H AN BALLW.
>
>>>
>
>>> "Should I stay or should I throw, now?"
>
>>>
>
>>> The old guy threw. He missed the mark. Saints win. Saints win.
>
>>>
>
>>> Mark L
>
>>> (with a little help from LoSo.)
>
>>>
>
>>> FWSFOROS MARKOS
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [
> <mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org>
> mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Beata Urbanek
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:24 AM
>
> To: Oun Kwon; Iver Larsen
>
> Cc: B-GREEK list
>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] BALLW vx. hAMARTANW ?
>
> I thought Iver meant shooting contexts or something similar when one
> can literally miss the mark. It is not present in the texts quoted.
>
> Beata
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Oun Kwon" <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
>
> To: "Iver Larsen" <iver_larsen at sil.org>
>
> Cc: "B-GREEK list" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:06 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] BALLW vx. hAMARTANW ?
>
>
>
>> <clipped>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>> hAMARTANW also has a range of meanings, revolving around the concept
>>> of
>
>>> failure.
>
>>> One specific usage of the word in a certain context would be failure
>>> to
>
>>> hit the
>
>>> mark. But even in Classical Greek the word was used in the general
>>> sense
>
>>> of
>
>>> fail, sin, do wrong.
>
>>> I am not aware that hAMARTANW is used in the NT in the specific
>>> sense of
>
>>> missing
>
>>> the mark in a shooting situation, but then I am not aware of any
>
>>> shootings being
>
>>> described in the NT. One would need to look for this sense in
>>> Hellenistic
>
>>> literature in general in texts dealing with shooting contexts.
>
>> <clipped>
>
>>>
>
>>> Iver Larsen
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>> Why, Iver.
>
>>
>
>> One rare bird but definite example is 1Co 7:36. Talking something
>
>> about marriage, this cannot be 'sinning', unless taken hyperbolically.
>
>>
>
>> Εἰ δέ τις ἀσχημονεῖν ἐπὶ τὴν παρθένον αὐτοῦ νομίζει,
>
>> ἐὰν ᾖ ὑπέρακμος, καὶ οὕτως ὀφείλει γίνεσθαι,
>
>> ὃ θέλει ποιείτω οὐχ ἁμαρτάνει· γαμείτωσαν.
>
>>
>
>> EI DE TIS ARCHMONEIN EPI THN PARQENON AUTOU NOMIZEI,
>
>> EAN H hUPERAKMOS, KAI hOUTWS OFEILEI GINESQAI,
>
>> hO QELEI POIEITW OUC *hAMARTANEI* GAMEITWSAN.
>
>>
>
>> Also Rm 3:23, this word may have its sense more of 'missing the mark'
>
>> 'failing' than 'sinning'.
>
>>
>
>> πάντες γὰρ ἥμαρτον
>
>> καὶ ὑστεροῦνται τῆς δόξης τοῦ Θεοῦ,
>
>>
>
>> PANTES GAR *hHARTON*
>
>> KAI hUSTEROUNTAI THS DOXHS TOU QEOU
>
>>
>
>> Oun Kwon.
>
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