[B-Greek] Whatever works (was Using the tools)

Mark Lightman lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 9 14:56:43 EDT 2010


I understand what James and Niko are saying, and I more or less agree with them.
On the other hand, I think of what Borris says in Woody Allen's "Whatever Works:"


"My story is, whatever works.  You know, as long as you don't hurt anyone, any way you
can filch a little joy in this cruel, dog-eat-dog, pointless black chaos.  That's my story....
Whatever love you can get and give, whatever happiness you can filch or provide.
Every temporary measure of grace.  Whatever works..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAZn7NTb7u0&feature=related


I bet James and Niko and almost everyone on this list have an attitude similar to mine.  We all have
strong feelings on what methods work best for learning Greek, but they are tempered by a radical
methodological tolerance, and an understanding that just about ANYTHING in Greek will work if
it is attended by commitment and a love of learning the language.

I would not call Greek a pointless black chaos, but it is like life in at least one respect; it is hard.  I say, whatever
help you can filch, whatever method of instruction you can get or provide.  Every e-aide or paper resource,
any crutch, every temporary measure of grace.  Whatever works.

 Mark L
Φωσφορος


FWSFOROS MARKOS




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From: Dr. Nikolaos Adamou <nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com>
To: jspinti at eisenbrauns.com; b-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 10:30:40 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Using the tools


James is correct!

The problem is more general, I see it in teaching, using, and reading Mathematics and Statistics in Business Management and Economics as well.  Medicine faces the same problem.

Just to make the case more obvious,
Logos web site given by James has 5 videos.
In the last one, Intro to Greek Word studies, 
a Greek word from the Gospel of John is discussed 
καλός,  but the sound of the word is κάλος
and this is another word.

Technology is good, but nothing can replace classical learning methods.
We know them from their results.
We also see the results of the technological education.

I am one of the professors who use extensively and intensively 
all technological means, but I do not forget the verse from akathyst

...τεχνολόγους ἀλόγους ...



Νικόλαος ὁ ἀναγνώστης                                                                                





> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:46:44 -0400
> From: JSpinti at Eisenbrauns.com
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [B-Greek] Using the tools
> 
> Apparently someone at Logos has been reading B-Greek :) Late yesterday,
> they posted an apology (in the Greek sense of the word) for using
> electronic sources as tools instead of crutches:
> http://blog.logos.com/archives/2010/06/biblical_languages_and_bible_soft 
> ware.html
> 
> I do have a problem with this set of statements, though:
> "But in first year, when the goal is identify everything word, form, and
> construction by sight, is software a crutch?
> 
> "Yes.
> 
> "So how can we call our software a tool?
> 
> "Simple. We changed the goal."
> 
> As if changing the goal makes it not a crutch! Don't misread this. I am
> not saying that electronic tools don't have a place--I have BibleWorks
> and Accordance on my machine and have used Logos and E-Sword in the
> past. But...
> 
> What they are trying to do is indeed needed. They are trying to keep
> people from thinking they know more than they do. And, keeping people
> from misusing what they discover using electronic tools is essential.
> But, to say that it is the SUSTAINABLE way to use Greek and Hebrew? I
> can't agree with that!
> 
> My $0.02,
> James
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