[B-Greek] Rev 1:10
Gene Baker
ekbaker at essex1.com
Thu Jun 24 14:15:00 EDT 2010
Thank you all for your responses. You have confirmed what I suspected to be the case, but since most of my resources are pretty dated I wondered if there might be some more recent discoveries of which I was unaware. When the other person is absolutely sure of his position, I suspect my own may be in error. (On non-essential matters, that is.)
Gratefully,
Gene Baker
Sterling, IL
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From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Georg S. Adamsen
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:05 AM
To: B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Rev 1:10
As far as I remember, Paul's use of KURIOAKOS may be the first attested
occurrence, obviously used with reference to Christ. It is therefore likely
that John uses it in the same way. However, in a book so deeply tied to the
language and theology of the Old Testament, not least the Day of the
Lord-imagery, one must also wonder whether John alludes to the Day of the
Lord concept. I concluded that this phrases means "on the day of the Lord",
the day of Christ's resurrection, i.e. either Easter Sunday or Sunday as the
first day of the week. However, it may very well allude to the OT language
and imagery/concepts. Why is a task for the exegete.
Years ago I did not find any passage where John's phrase "means" 'the day of
the Lord' in the OT sense.
Georg S. Adamsen
Dr.theol., Denmark
2010/6/24 Alex Poulos <apviper at gmail.com>
> I think the question is the question here is does the phrase refer to the
> eschatological Day of the Lord, or to Sunday. The phrase is certainly used
> for Sunday in the papyri (If I'm reading BDAG correctly), and it does cite
> Rev 1:10 as referring to Sunday. I'm quite happy to take that as the base
> meaning, though apocalyptic language is slippery and considering the nature
> of the book, I wouldn't be surprised if the eschaton was in view with this
> phrase (I'd actually be surprised if it wasn't).
>
> Alex Poulos
> Senior - Computer Science
> NC State University
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:13 AM, George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > ἐγενόμην ἐν πνεύματι ἐν τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ καὶ ἤκουσα ὀπίσω μου φωνὴν
> μεγάλην
> > ὡς σάλπιγγος
> > EGENOMHN EN PNEUMATI EN THi KURIAKHi hHMERAi KAI HKOUSA OPISW MOU FWNHN
> > MEGALHN hWS SALPIGGOS
> >
> > I'm having some difficulty understanding what you consider the problem to
> > be here. Would you like 6 doughnuts or half a dozen? My best guess is
> that
> > you are referring to the LXX use of the phrase in Amos 5.18 and 20. If
> so,
> > it hardly seems credible that this could be the reference in Re 1.10
> since
> > Amos references the eschatological "Day of the Lord", i.e. according to
> Amos
> > the day when God comes in judgement (Amos 5.20 οὐχὶ σκότος ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ
> > κυρίου καὶ οὐ φῶς; OUXI SKOTOS hH hHMERA TOU KURIOU KAI OU FWS?). One
> other
> > interpretation of EN THi KURIAKHi hHMERAi which I have encountered is
> that
> > of Seventh Day Adventists that it references Easter. I have no intention
> of
> > discussing that since it is clearly beyond the list protocol though I
> will
> > say that it makes more sense than to take it as the eschatological Day of
> > the Lord.
> >
> > george
> > gfsomsel
> >
> >
> > … search for truth, hear truth,
> > learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> > defend the truth till death.
> >
> >
> > - Jan Hus
> > _________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Gene Baker <ekbaker at essex1.com>
> > To: B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 7:34:16 PM
> > Subject: [B-Greek] Rev 1:10
> >
> > I am having a discussion with another person about the meaning of THi
> > KURIAKHi hHMERAi in Rev. 1:10. He is taking that phrase as equivalent
> to
> > THi hHMERAi TOU KURIOU. BAG says that the phrase refers to the Lord's
> Day,
> > that is the first day of the week. My discussion partner say simply that
> > BAG has it wrong. Does anyone know if THi KURIAKHi hHMERAi is used as
> > the
> > equivalent of THi hHMERAi TOU KURIOU? If BAG has it wrong, so do Alford
> > and
> > Moffatt.
> >
> >
> >
> > TIA
> >
> >
> >
> > Gene Baker
> >
> > Sterling, IL
> >
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