[B-Greek] Rev 1:10

Vasileios Tsialas tsialas78 at hotmail.com
Thu Jun 24 16:21:06 EDT 2010




> From: iver_larsen at sil.org
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> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Rev 1:10
> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:27:51 +0200
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> From: "Vasileios Tsialas" <tsialas78 at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Rev 1:10
> ...
> >
> > I would appreciate everyone’s opinion on that, that the verb εγενόμην offers a
> > clue. The text says:
> > «Εγενόμην εν τη νήσω τη καλουμένη Πάτμο […] εγενόμην εν πνεύματι εν τη Κυριακή
> > ημέρα».
> > If εγενόμην means “was (present) in the
> > island of Patmos”, in the first clause, I find it most possible to mean
> > exactly
> > the same at the second clause: “I was (present) in the Lord’s day by means of
> > spirit”.
> >
> > Vasileios
> > Tsialas
> 
> Well, I don't think EGENOMHN simply means "was", but points to being in a
> certain state at the same time as it implies a transition from not being in that
> state.
> 
> First, he came to be on this island, but that was not his normal location.
> Second, he came to be in the Spirit. This is a way of saying that he had a
> vision. The same expression is found in Rev 4:2:
> εὐθέως ἐγενόμην ἐν πνεύματι
> EUQEWS EGENOMHN EN PNEUMATI
> Right away I came to be in the Spirit (i.e. under the power of the Spirit)
> 
> It is parallel in some ways to Acts 10:10:
> ἐγένετο δὲ πρόσπεινος καὶ ἤθελεν γεύσασθαι. παρασκευαζόντων δὲ αὐτῶν ἐγένετο ἐπ᾽
> αὐτὸν ἔκστασις
> EGENETO DE PROSPEINOS KAI HQELEN GEUSASQAI. PARASKEUAZONTWN DE AUTWN EGENETO EP'
> AUTON EKSTASIS.
> He came to be hungry and wanted to get a meal. While it was being prepared, he
> had an "outside-himself" experience.
> This means that the Holy Spirit came upon him and he saw a vision.


I don't think that your examples are
relative to the construction we have in Re 1:9, 10.

 

In Acts 10:10a εγένετο simply means "became" and we
have after εγένετο an attribute (he became
hungry). In 10b εγένετο means "took
place". This is not the meaning of εγενόμην in Re 1:9.

 

John did not "become" or
"took place" in Patmos. Here we have γίγνομαι + adverbial phrase (εν + place). So, John was found, was located
in Patmos. (BDAD: to be in or at a place, be in, be there)

 

In the very next verse, Re 1:10, we
have a similar structure (εν +
time) and I find it very reasonable εγενόμην to be understood similarly. (BDAG: to be
present at a given time, be there)   
> Therefore, it seems clear that Rev 1:10 means that John came under the power of
> the Spirit and saw a vision, and it happened on the Lord's day - which is well
> established expression for Sunday from the papyri.
Which are these papyri you refer to?
> The Day of the Lord refers to a future time when Jesus will return and exact
> punishment on the unbelievers. This sense does not fit at all the context of Rev
> 1:10.
As far as I remember, the very topic of the book of Revelation is the Day of the Lord, but I wouldn't argue about this topic.
> 
> Iver Larsen
> 


Vasileios Tsialas
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