[B-Greek] Question on Jn. 4:2
Blue Meeksbay
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Mon Nov 1 19:32:46 EDT 2010
Thanks George!
Blue Harris
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From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 11:44:56 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Question on Jn. 4:2
John 4:2 - καίτοιγε Ἰησοῦς αὐτὸς οὐκ ἐβάπτιζεν ἀλλʼ οἱ μαθηταὶ αὐτοῦ -
Raymond Brown in his 2 vol commentary on the GoJ translated this as "n fact,
however, it was not Jesus himself who baptized, but his disciples" and notes
regarding the passage:
"2. not Jesus himself. This is clearly an attempt to modify 3:22, where it is
said that Jesus did baptize, and serves as almost indisputable evidence of the
presence of several hands in the composition of John. Perhaps the final redactor
was afraid that the sectarians of John the Baptist would use Jesus’ baptizing as
an argument that he was only an imitator of John the Baptist. The unusual word
for "however" (kaitoi ge) may be another indication of a different hand."
I don't wish to get into the discussion of whether there was or was not more
than one hand involved in the GoJ, but it seems clear that the idea contained in
the passage is that it was the disciples who baptised (nominative case) and not
the disciples who were baptised.
george
gfsomsel
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From: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 11:19:36 AM
Subject: [B-Greek] Question on Jn. 4:2
Dear List,
-KAITOIGE IHSOUS AUTOS OUK EBAPTIZEN ALL᾽ hOI MAQHTAI AUTOU- Jn. 4:2
I have a question I hope someone can answer. John the Baptist, we know, would
baptize anyone that came to him in repentance, whether they wished to become his
disciple or not. However, with Jesus, is there any grammatical rule that would
allow the thought to be communicated that Jesus was not baptizing any and all
that came to him, but only those persons who wished to be his disciples? If
MAQHTAI was in the accusative, I think such a thought could be sustained, but
in the nominative???
Sincerely,
Blue Harris
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