[B-Greek] Lexicography and Deponency
Mark Lightman
lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 7 08:51:26 EST 2010
Stephen wrote:
<That's an interesting proposal. Now that I've started teaching the
augment to my class, I'm wondering if using the infinitive for
principal parts is perhaps less than ideal because it does not show
how some of the (irregular) augments are formed. On the other hand,
the first person singular isn't ideal either, because, as far as I can
tell, no principal part in the first person singular distinguishes
among the contract verbs. How about the third person singular for
principal parts?>
Hi, Stephen,
I'm in, but then again, I've been pushing the metric system for English since
the late 60's. ("Holding, Offense. 9.14 meter penalty. First down!") One
potential problem with your proposal is that with a verb like ἔσπειρε (ESPEIRE)
you would not know if the first person aorist would be ἔσπειρον or ἔσπειρα. So,
I propose using the SECOND person (in this case, ἔσπειρας) for the principle
parts.
Except that if you went with φιλεῖς instead of φιλεω you would be forcing people
to always use the accents (otherwise the verb could technically be a
non-contract verb) and some people have even theological reasons for not using
the accents. Personally, a form like φιλεεις (FILEEIS) does not bother me,
since that is what you see in Homer. But anyway, I think you are on the right
track.
Mark L
Φωσφορος
FWSFOROS MARKOS
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From: Stephen Carlson <stemmatic at gmail.com>
To: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
Cc: Biblical Greek Mailing List <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sat, November 6, 2010 10:58:03 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Lexicography and Deponency
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
> I think that one very profitable step forward that could be made
> in ancient Greek pedagogy would be re-thinking and re-formulating
> a truly practical sequence of "principal parts." Traditionally the
> principal parts permit the student to discern the tense-stems of all
> the tense-systems in which the particular verb appears in the
> relevant Greek literature. This might be worth a separate discussion
> in its own right, but it is closely associated with these lexicographical
> questions. I'm not sure what order the items would be best presented,
> but I'd suggest that the infinitives of each major tense system should
> be included and that all voice forms should be included for each verb.
That's an interesting proposal. Now that I've started teaching the
augment to my class, I'm wondering if using the infinitive for
principal parts is perhaps less than ideal because it does not show
how some of the (irregular) augments are formed. On the other hand,
the first person singular isn't ideal either, because, as far as I can
tell, no principal part in the first person singular distinguishes
among the contract verbs. How about the third person singular for
principal parts?
Stephen
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Stephen C. Carlson
Graduate Program in Religion
Duke University
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