[B-Greek] Arthur Way and 1 Tim 2:15

Bryant J. Williams III bjwvmw at com-pair.net
Sat Nov 20 01:35:07 EST 2010


Dear List,

ISTM that it would be better to go back to the beginning of the entire section
of 2:8-15.

    2:8    BOULOMAI OUN PROSEUCHESQAI TOUS ANDRAS EN PANTI TOPWi
            EPAIRONTAS hOSIOUS CHEIRAS CHWRIS ORGHS KAI DIALOGISMOU.
    2:9    hWSAUTWS [KAI] YUNAIKOS EN KATASTOLHi KOSMIWi META AIDOS KAI
            SWFROSUNHS KOSMEIN hEAUTAS,
            MH EN PLEGMASIN KAI CHRSIWi H MARGARITAIS H hIMATISMWi POLUTELEI,
    2:10  ALL' hO PREPEI GUNAIXIN EPANGELLOMENAIS QEOSEBEIAN,
            DI' ERGWN AGAQWN.
    2:11  GUNH EN hHSUCHIAi MAQANETW EN PASHi hUPOTAGHi;
    2:12  DIDASKEIN DE GUNAIKI OUK EPITREPW OUDE AUQENTEIN ANDROS,
            ALL' EINAI EN hSUXHIAi.
    2:13  ADAM GAR PRWTOS EPLASQH, EITA hEUA.
    2:14  KAI ADAM OUK HPATHQH,
            hH DE GUNH EXAPATHQEISA EN PARABASEI GEGONEN;
    2:15  SWQHSETAI DE DIA THS TEKNOGONIAS,
            EAN MEINWSIN EN PISTEI KAI AGAPHi KAI hAGIASMWi META SWFROSUNHS.

First, GUNH is found in vss. 9, 10, 11, 12, 14.
Second, the allusion to Genesis 2-3 is found in 13-14 is used as an illustration
of the commands in vs. 12.
Third, hEUA (Eve) in vs. 13 is the referent to hH GUNH of vs. 14.
Fourth, DIA THS TEKNOGONIAS is attendant circumstance (p. 180, BAGD, "Here prob.
belongs ...").
Fifth, TEKNOGONIAS in the Infinitive is used 5:14 referring to the young widow,
"to bear children," or better yet,
    "to raise children."
Sixth, THS TEKNOGONIAS is used as the object of the preposition to refer to
Genesis 3:16 and the phrase,
        TECHH TEKNA.
Seventh, the translation of "child rearing" or "parenting" appears to be a
better way to deal with the meaning
        of TEKNOGONIAS.
Eighth, SWQHSETAI, Passivie Participle has, its understood subject carried over
from vs. 14,
        hH GUNH (collective singular), should be translated to mean "thrive,
prosper, get on well."
Ninth, the bracketing of SWFROSUNHS in vss. 9 & 15.
Tenth, it seems that what we have in vs. 15 a reversed conditional with 15b
being the protasis and 15a being the apodosis.
            15b: If they continue in faithfulness (faith), love and holiness
with soberness,
            15a: (then - implied) she shall be delivered through the
childrearing.
        but 15a is first in position for emphasis.
    Robertson and Davis, ***A New Short Grammar of the Greek NT,***
            p. 350:
            "(c) Third Class: Undetermined with Prospect of Determination (EAN
or EI with the subjunctive in the condition,
              usually future or present indicative or imperative in the
conclusion, much variety in the form of the conclusion)."
            P. 353;
            "The condition states the condition as a matter of doubt, but with
some expectation of realization. Hence the subjunctive
              is the mode of doubt used, not the optative the mode of still
greater doubt. It is undetermined and so does not use the
              indicative mode, but there is more hope and that marks it off from
the optative. We have seen that future indicative is                       a
development of the aorist subjunctive so that the difference between the
first-class condition and second-class
              condition with EAN or EI and the aorist subjunctive on the other
is not very great, though real and a bit subtle."

    Blass-DeBrunner-Funk (BDF), ***A Greek Grammar of the New Testament and
Other Early Greek Literature,***
            p. 188, paragraph 188, under Conditional Sentences:
                "4) EAN with the subjunctive denotes that which under certain
circumstances is expected from an existing
                 general or concrete standpoint in the present: 'case of
expectation' and 'iterative case in present time.' "
            p. 353:
                "3) The aorist subjunctive appears in the great majority of
cases, both in general conditions and in those referring
                 impending, and occasionally also in those referring to
something which was impending in past time."

See also Commentary on the NT Use of the OT, edited by G. K. Beale & D. A.
Carson,
        "I-II Timothy and Titus," by Philip H. Towner,  pp. 894-898.

En Xristwi,

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin P. Edgecomb" <kevin at bombaxo.com>
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Arthur Way and 1 Tim 2:15


> What of the option of reading this as a woman's being preserved throughout the
process of childbirth?  I haven't seen that mentioned yet, though it seems a
distinct possibility.  I recall that several years ago childbirth was cited as
remaining the leading cause of death for women aged 19-26, even in this day and
age.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin P. Edgecomb
> Berkeley, California
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