[B-Greek] Gen 25.23 and the LXX, in Rom 9.12
Albert Pietersma
albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Thu Sep 16 15:15:13 EDT 2010
Aren't you creating your own problem by insisting that Rom 9:12 is
speaking of "older" and "younger" when neither the Hebrew nor the
Greek of Gen 25:23 is speaking of "older" and "younger"? Moreover,
since Rom 9 is explicitly about Rebecca and the birth of Jacob and
Esau, is there any doubt that Gen 25:23 is being cited?
Al
On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:54 PM, P R wrote:
> I was thinking more along the lines of Paul's choice of words for
> "younger,"
> (elasswn). Because this wasn't the normal word that would be used to
> signify
> "younger," was this evidence that Paul was deliberately following
> the LXX
> here?
>
> Paul Rittman
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> BDAG, s.v. MEGAS/μέγας 1.d:
>> d. of age (Jos., Ant. 12, 207 μικρὸς ἢ
>> μέγας=‘young or old’); to
>> include all concerned μικροὶ καὶ μεγάλοι small and
>> great (PGM 15, 18) Rv
>> 11:18; 13:16; 19:5, 18; 20:12. μικρῷ τε καὶ
>> μεγάλῳ Ac 26:22. ἀπὸ μικροῦ ἕως
>> μεγάλου (Gen 19:11; 4 Km 23:2; 2 Ch 34:30; POxy 1350) 8:10;
>> Hb 8:11 (Jer
>> 38:34). μέγας γενόμενος when he was grown up 11:24 (Ex
>> 2:11). ὁ μείζων the
>> older (O. Wilck II, 144, 3 [128 AD]; 213, 3; 1199, 2; LXX; cp.
>> Polyb. 18,
>> 18, 9 Σκιπίων ὁ μέγας; 32, 12, 1) Ro 9:12; B 13:2
>> (both Gen 25:23).
>>
>> I don't think this is anything distinctly Semtiic. Contemporary
>> Latin, of
>> course, uses MAIOR and MINOR for "older" and "younger" -- Polybius
>> in BDAG's
>> citation has simply turned the Latin name "Scipio Major" into its
>> Greek
>> equivalent. I'm reminded of an elderly friend whose granddaughter
>> was named
>> for her; how should the two be distinguished? "Well," she said,
>> "you can
>> call me "Big Jane" or "Old Jane," but you don't call me "Big Old
>> Jane."
>>
>> Carl W. Conrad
>> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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