[B-Greek] anq wn = since
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p1234567891 at gmail.com
Sun Apr 10 01:13:33 EDT 2011
Dear George,
Yes I was not looking for word-for-word equivalents, so that is why I
excluded occurrences of the first three usages you listed; I was wondering
why the relative pronoun was used and if "anq wn" is something like a
standard phrase for "since". But how do we know that Luke 12:3 does not mean
"but there is nothing which has been covered that will not be revealed and
nothing hidden that will not be known, since whatever you said in the
darkness will be heard in the light and ..."? How would a hearer determine
that "since" was not intended?
David Lim
On 10 April 2011 00:37, George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> As with most words in any language, there is not ONE equivalent word in
> another language else we would be able to simply program our computers to do
> a little substitution for us and have a translation of any writing -- wait,
> that's been tried. Have you ever checked a machine translation of some
> documents on the internet? They can be quite humorous and even
> meaningless. This is no doubt due to the phenomenon I mentioned first that
> there is no one equivalent for a particular word in any language.
>
>
>
> In the case of ἀνθʼ ὧν ANQ' hWN which you raise, there are a number of
> uses for ἁ̓ντί ANTI which you would be well advised to examine. <Rant>In
> fact, I would recommend that you sell your first-born child and buy a copy
> of BDAG (Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich and Danker *_*A Greek-English Lexicon of
> the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature_). ACCEPT NO
> SUBSTITUTE for there is no substitute.</rant> BDAG lists five main uses of
> ἀντί ANTI (Examples are taken from BDAG):
>
> 1. Replacement by another = "instead of" or "in place of". See Mt 2.22
> 2. Equivalence to another = "in place of". Mt 5.38
> 3. Intervention = "on behalf of". See Mt 17.27
> 4. Reason for something = "because of" or "for the purpose of". See
> Eph 5.31
> 5. Result = "wherefore" or "therefore". See Lk 12.3
>
> Context will determine the usage.
>
>
> george
> gfsomsel
>
>
> … search for truth, hear truth,
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>
>
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> *Sent:* Sat, April 9, 2011 2:20:25 AM
> *Subject:* [B-Greek] anq wn = since
>
> Dear all,
>
> Does "anq wn" mean "since"? I thought "anti" is a preposition, but there
> does not seem to be any English "equivalent" for "anq" in this phrase, is
> there? It occurs in Luke 1:20, Luke 12:3, Luke 19:44, Acts 12:23 and 2 Thes
> 2:10. Is "anti toutou" in Eph 5:31 also similar? Does it mean "because of
> this:" ("this" referring to what comes next)?
>
> Thanks!
> David Lim
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