[B-Greek] Ancient Greek Voice Forms
Brian Abasciano
bvabasciano at gmail.com
Fri Apr 15 12:11:49 EDT 2011
Carl,
Where do you line up with respect to Rutger Allan and his book THE MIDDLE
VOICE IN ANCIENT GREEK: A Study in Polysemy? Do you and he basically share
the same view, or is there significant difference?
God bless,
Brian Abasciano
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Developing English to Greek Capabilities (Was
"Grammar-Translation") (Dewayne Dulaney)
2. Ancient Greek Voice Forms (Carl Conrad)
3. Anybody Have Suggestions for a LONT (Latin Outside the New
Testament) List, like the GRONT List for Greek? (Dewayne Dulaney)
4. Re: fonts and online teaching (susan at read-the-bible.org)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:18:52 -0500
From: Dewayne Dulaney <dewayne.dulaney at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Developing English to Greek Capabilities (Was
"Grammar-Translation")
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????? (CAIRE), Refe!
???????? (Mark Lightman) is too modest to mention it, but his posts
and videos on ????? (http://schole.ning.com/) are excellent models for
practicing communicating in Koine Greek. (Mark, I haven't actually
gotten to see the videos yet, but I'm sure they're great, based on the
quality of Greek writing you do.) There are many other good writers
there also, and several of our list members are members there as well,
including myself. (I am not one of the good writers yet, but hope to
be someday.) I encourage you to try your hand at writing Greek there
and on Textkit (www.textkit.com). You'll find the members at both
sites are very kind and patient and willing to help with questions and
offering helpful advice.
If you like music, learning Greek versions of familiar songs is a big
help. B-Greeker Louis Sorensen has done a lot of work producing these
and they are available for free on his site (www.letsreadgreek.com).
Some of the lyrics also have accompanying audio. Click on "Modern
Songs and Hymns in Koine" on the site's opening page.
Refe, I will also be glad to write you in Ancient Greek offlist. Just
email me to let me know you're interested.
???????? ????????? (Dewayne Dulaney)
--
"In the world you will have trouble. But, be brave! I have defeated the
world!"
?John 16:33, DDV (Dewayne Dulaney Version)
My Bible blogs: http://my.opera.com/Loquor/blog/ and
http://hasopher.preachersfiles.com/
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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:02:56 -0400
From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] Ancient Greek Voice Forms
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I have revised my web page on Ancient Greek Voice to include the following
note
and download link for an account of my views on the framework of the ancient
Greek voice system that I wrote for the current issue of the AGNT
Newsletter:
"Ancient Greek Voice Forms: Categorizing and Making Sense of Them": in The
AGNT Project Report?Q1 2011: PDF of the quarterly newsletter of the AGNT
Project. This is a terse, very compact formulation of a very complex issue.
The longer I have pondered the forms and usage of ancient Greek verbal
voice, the more convinced I have become of the validity of the framework
into which I think the data best fit, while at the same time the more
cognizant I have grown of the complexity of the data hitherto accounted for
by the dubious doctrine of "deponency."
URL: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/GrkVc.html
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:06:04 -0500
From: Dewayne Dulaney <dewayne.dulaney at gmail.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] Anybody Have Suggestions for a LONT (Latin Outside
the New Testament) List, like the GRONT List for Greek?
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??????? ?????? (CAIRETE PASIN)
I apologize for the cross-posting, but hopefully it will pass muster.
As a self-taught Latinist wannabe who has read more of the Vulgate
than Classical or Patristic and later Latin authors, I was wondering
if any of our list members who also work with Latin has ever developed
a LONT list (Latin Outside the New Testament), like the GRONT list for
Greek that appeared here earlier. Barry H, perhaps?
I recently read Pliny's letter to Trajan about the trials of
Christians and Trajan's reply (with reference to a facing English
translation) and it wasn't too difficult. (My Latin vocabulary and
grammar skills are at the first-year level, but I know Spanish and
French well, which helps a lot.) I've also read excerpts from Pliny's
description of the eruption of Vesuvius (the one that destroyed
Pompeii and Herculaneum), which weren't too hard either. But I found
the excerpts from Cicero's De Senectute (On Old Age) a little more
difficult. These selections, BTW, are all in the book "Latin
Selections|Florilegium Latinum", edited by Moses Hadas and Thomas
Suits, Bantam Books, 1961. I found it in a used book store some years
ago. I don't know if a newer edition is available. If it is, or if you
can find a used copy, I would recommend it to those like me who want
to learn Latin, or improve their skills. I currently am reading
excerpts there of Cicero's First Oration Against Cataline and plan to
read the full text of his De Amicitia next.
Naturally, the more vocab and grammar one knows, the easier any author
is to read. I am continuing my Latin studies, so I am working to
improve this. (BTW, the Latin counterpart to ?????, SCHOLA
(http://schola.ning.com/), is a good place to practice Latin for
communication, as is Textkit.)
I would appreciate any suggestions about the level of difficulty of
various Latin authors (including Patristic and Renaissance/Reformation
ones) compared to the Vulgate, either on- or offlist.
Dewayne Dulaney
--
"In the world you will have trouble. But, be brave! I have defeated the
world!"
?John 16:33, DDV (Dewayne Dulaney Version)
My Bible blogs: http://my.opera.com/Loquor/blog/ and
http://hasopher.preachersfiles.com/
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:28:16 -0700
From: <susan at read-the-bible.org>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] fonts and online teaching
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If anyone on this list is teaching online Greek using either "Moodle" or
"Blackboard" -- I'd be grateful if you would email me off-list and tell
me how you handle fonts; in particular, whether you use unicode, or a
truetype (old-style) font such as bwgrkl. There are particular issues
with these courseware packages; I'm hoping to at least use some unicode
next year but would like to avoid pitfalls.
Thanks!
Susan Jeffers
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