[B-Greek] Mt 26.26-28 [was: Re: Ephesians 2:8]

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Thu Apr 21 12:08:01 EDT 2011


26Ἐσθιόντων δὲ αὐτῶν λαβὼν ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἄρτον καὶ εὐλογήσας ἔκλασεν καὶ δοὺς τοῖς 
μαθηταῖς εἶπεν· λάβετε φάγετε, τοῦτό ἐστιν τὸ σῶμά μου. 27καὶ λαβὼν ποτήριον καὶ 
εὐχαριστήσας ἔδωκεν αὐτοῖς λέγων· πίετε ἐξ αὐτοῦ πάντες, 28τοῦτο γάρ ἐστιν τὸ 
αἷμά μου τῆς διαθήκης τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυννόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.
26 ESQIONTWN DE AUTWN LABWN hO IHSOUS ARTON KAI EULOGHSAS EKLASEN KAI DOUS TOIS 
MAQHTAIS EIPEN, "LABETE FAGETE, TOUTO ESTIN SWMA MOU."  27  KAI LABWN POTHRION 
KAI EUXARISTHSAS DEDWKEN AUTOIS LEGWN, "PIETE EC AUTOU PANTES  28 TOUTO GAR 
ESTIN TO hAIMA MOU THS DIAQHKHS TO PERI POLLWN EKXUNOMENON EIS AFESIN hAMARTIWN.
 
I would think it would not refer to both elements.  Note that the cup is in a 
separate sentence introduced by a separate act of taking and blessing and 
giving.  I realize that the dogma is that Christ is fully present in both 
elements, but we are not discussing theology. 

 

 george
gfsomsel 


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From: Eric S. Weiss <papaweiss1 at yahoo.com>
To: b-greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 8:52:06 AM
Subject: [B-Greek] Ephesians 2:8

> It refers to neither and it refers to both. 
> TOUTO is neuter--neither PISTEWS nor CHARITI are neuter. 
> They're both feminine. 
> Neuter demonstratives that do not have a neuter antecedent 
> can refer to an entire state of affairs: 
> (TH GAR CHARITI ESTE SESWSMENOI DIA PISTEWS) KAI TOUTO... 
> TOUTO refers to the entire event of salvation by grace through 
> faith.
So then does the TOUTO in Matthew 26:26 refer to the act of the 
supper (i.e., Passover as a whole and/or those gathered at the 
Lord's Table - i.e., the church/Body of Christ) rather than to 
the bread specifically?
Matthew 26:26 ESQIONTWN DE AUTWN LABWN hO IHSOUS ARTON KAI 
EULOGHSAS EKLASEN KAI DOUS TOIS MAQHTAIS EIPEN - 
LABETE FAGETE, TOUTO ESTIN TO SWMA MOU.
(also see the similar Mark 14:22 and Luke 22:19)
ARTON is masculine, but TOUTO is neuter. 
Or does the TOUTO forwardly agree with the neuter SWMA, even though 
it comes after TOUTO and not before it?

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Eric S. Weiss 
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