[B-Greek] Acts 3.26 EN TWi APOSTREFEIN - instrumental or concurrenttime
Richard Smith
rbs58 at comcast.net
Fri Feb 11 23:14:52 EST 2011
I had probably incorrectly viewed APOSTREFEIN as possibly intransitive by comparison with EPISTREYATE in verse 19. If the better reading of APOSTREFEIN is transitive then that pretty much settles my question. I had read 19 and 26 as both calling for the Jews to turn, sandwiching the material in between; rather than 19 being a call to turn and 26 being a statement that God would turn each from sins.
Thanks,
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Lightman" <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
To: "Carl Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:19:30 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Acts 3.26 EN TWi APOSTREFEIN - instrumental or concurrenttime
I have BDAG 2 where there are a few LXX examples. I looked them up and some of
them are pretty ambiguous as well. Does BDAG 3 no longer give these examples?
LSJ also says of the active "as if intr. (sub. hEAUTON, hIPPON, NAUN, etc) turn
back, Thuc 6:65."
Mark L
FWSFOROS MARKOS
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From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
To: Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
Cc: Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 12:07:20 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Acts 3.26 EN TWi APOSTREFEIN - instrumental or
concurrenttime
On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Mark Lightman wrote:
> <Also, if hEKASTON had been the subject I would have expected the appropriate
> verb to be the middle APOSTREFESQAI.>
>
> That's a good point, Carl, but BDAG says the active can be intransitive, "turn
> away from something, APO TINOS.
If you're looking at BDAG s.v. APOSTREFW 2.a, it looks to me like it is
precisely this passage that is thought by some to involve an intransitive usage.
I think it unlikely.
Carl W. Conrad
> ________________________________
> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> To: Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org>
> Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 11:24:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Acts 3.26 EN TWi APOSTREFEIN - instrumental or
> concurrenttime
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Iver Larsen wrote:
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Smith" <rbs58 at comcast.net>
>> To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: 11. februar 2011 16:11
>> Subject: [B-Greek] Acts 3.26 EN TWi APOSTREFEIN - instrumental or
>> concurrenttime
>>
>>
>>> All translations I looked at, take the construction as instrumental and
>>> hEKASTON as objective, but it seems to me that the issue in the context of Acts
>>>
>>> 3 is the decision of each wrt Jesus as the Suffering Messiah and the prophet
>>> like Moses.
>>>
>>> With the present tense used for EULOGOUNTA and for APOSTREFEIN, could it not be
>>>
>>> intended for the EN TWi construction to refer to concurrent time?
>>>
>>> "He sent him who blesses you when each turns"
>>>
>>> Verse 23 provides a suggestion as to what may happen in the event one does not
>>
>>> turn.
>>>
>>> Given the general context, I understand PONHRIWN and hAMARTIAS to refer to the
>>
>>> decision about Jesus as the Christ who suffers, rather than more general idea
>>>of
>>>
>>> sin in a sinner's life.
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Richard
>>
>> I don't know why you think of the suffering of Christ. We have an accusative
>> with infinitive, so hEKASTON could function as subject or as object:
>>
>> ὑμῖν πρῶτον ἀναστήσας ὁ θεὸς τὸν παῖδα αὐτοῦ ἀπέστειλεν αὐτὸν εὐλογοῦντα ὑμᾶς
>> ἐν τῷ ἀποστρέφειν ἕκαστον ἀπὸ τῶν πονηριῶν ὑμῶν.
>> hUMIN PRWTON ANASTHSAS hO QEOS TON PAIDA AUTOU APESTEILEN AUTON EULOGOUNTA
>> hUMAS EN TWi APOSTREFEIN hEKASTON APO TWN PONHRIWN hUMWN.
>>
>> God having raised up (as the prophet from Deut 18:15,18 - it refers to
>> incarnation rather than resurrection) first for you (Jews) he sent his
>> servant/child? blessing you in/by turning each one from your-plural sins.
>>
>> If hEKASTON had been the subject I would have expected AUTOU rather than hUMWN
>
>> (each one turning from his sins as the two versions quoted by Mark have it).
>> That plural may be why most English versions take it as the object: turning
>>each
>>
>> one of you people away from your-plural sins. Of course, it requires that they
>
>> are willing to be turned, but that is beyond the grammar. (Vaticanus dropped
>> hUMWN, but no ms seems to have an AUTOU.)
>
> Also, if hEKASTON had been the subject I would have expected the appropriate
> verb to be the middle APOSTREFESQAI.
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>
>
>
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