[B-Greek] [RE B-Greek] Searching the Archives

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sat Feb 19 11:30:26 EST 2011


Using Google I searche for "middle voice" within the site: 
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek/ and got 10 pages of hits.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22middle+voice%22+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Flists.ibiblio.org%2Fpipermail%2Fb-greek%2F&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs=

 george
gfsomsel 


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From: Louis Sorenson <llsorenson at hotmail.com>
To: B-Greek List mail to all <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; paul.d.nitz at gmail.com
Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 8:39:34 AM
Subject: [B-Greek] [RE B-Greek] Searching the Archives


I took Blekko for a trial. First you have to sign up for an account. 

Next I created my own slashtag b-Greek. I added the past archives
and the current archives as tags:

ibiblio.org/bgreek/archives/

lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek/


Then I tried searching for "Middle Voice" /b-greek /date. 
Only four hits were returned, from both of the above archive with 
an additional 20 bing hits listed below.

I also tried searching for just "Voice /b-greek /date.
No hits were returned. 

Searching on Google returned 682 hits.
"middle voice" site:lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek

I get the same results if I don't use my b-greek tag in blekko, but
instead use the search
"middle voice" site:lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek


So what am I doing wrong?  I should have many many hits returned.  

Louis Sorenson
                    
                                        
G. Somsel & C. Conrad,

First, in response to searching by site, entering...

    site:ibiblio.org

...in Google will return results for either the newer (pipermail/b-greek) or
older (b-greek/archives) posts. For some searches (e.g. "middle voice") you
may get a few hits from the Hebrew or Sanskrit archives.  The extra hits are
easy to sift through in comparison with making separate searches.


Secondly, Blekko.com  may be a good alternative for searching B-Greek
archives.  I'm hoping some others will also try it out and see how it works.
What I've seen so far:

BLEKKO SORTS BY DATE
The great value of this new search engine is that it will sort results by
date - something Google cannot do.This is hugely valuable when trying to
find threads of conversations on a topic.  At the end of your search string,
enter...

          /date

...to sort by date simply add at the end of your search:


WILDCARD * AND BLEKKO
The wildcard *  will largely overcome the problem of finding Bible
references. Enter...

        Mat*

...and you will find Mat 18, Matt 18, Matthew 18 (and even Mathew 18).


But, a search on Google...

      site:ibiblio.org Eph* 4*

...will return 1760 hits. Within the first two pages you will find a false
hit, "Eph 1:4"


The same search on blekko.com will return 111 hits, all valid containing
"Eph 4...".


NOTES
- Google did once have an advanced option to sort by date.  It has dropped
the option.
- I stumbled on blekko.com through the following website, pertinent comment
included:

"The feature that I’ve found most useful is the ability to order search
results.  If you are doing searches by date, as my students were, Blekko
allows you to add the slashtag “/date” to the end of your query and retrieve
in rank in a chronological fashion. Google does grant an option to search
within a date range, but these are the dates when website was indexed rather
than made; which means the results are practically useless. Blekko makes an
effort to index the page by the date on which it was really made (by
analyzing other in rank embedded in its HTML).  So if I want to search for
articles that mention my name, I can do a regular search; sort the results
chronologically; limit them to tech blog sites or to any blog sites for a
particular year; and perhaps find any references related to the subject of
economics. Try doing any of this in Google or Bing"

http://www.jzkretail.com/google-has-become-a-slum-pit-of-spammers-and-marketers-we-need-a-new-search-engine/

                        
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