[B-Greek] John 1:18 (EKEINOS)
Mark Lightman
lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 21 15:12:13 EST 2011
Hi, Edgar,
The idea that when QEOS has the article it refers to His personhood, and when it
does not, it refers to His essence, is by no means ironclad, and these terms are
really too vague and subjective to be of much use. But in this case there may be
something to it. Anarthrous θεον in v. 18a might well refer to an underlying
essence that only Jesus saw and exegeted. The reference to Moses in v. 17 may
have lead to the point that Moses saw God as a person but did not understand His
essence.
Mark L
FWSFOROS MARKOS
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From: Edgar Foster <edgarfoster2003 at yahoo.com>
To: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>; b-greek list <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 12:53:57 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] John 1:18 (EKEINOS)
Carl and B-Greekers,
My apologies for asking the wrong question. I should have paid more attention
when typing this email. Of course, you are right about the referent of EKEINOS.
What I should have asked concerns the implicit object of EXHGHSATO in John 1:18.
The text states that MONOGENHS QEOS "explained" [understood "him"].
Who did the Son likely explain? Was it God in his essence (since QEON is
anarthrous) or was it the Father more specifically? I hope my question is worded
properly this time around.
Thank you,
Edgar Foster
--- On Mon, 2/21/11, Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] John 1:18 (EKEINOS)
> To: "Edgar Foster" <edgarfoster2003 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "b-greek list" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Monday, February 21, 2011, 1:47 PM
>
> On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Edgar Foster wrote:
>
> > Greetings to all,
> >
> > The text: QEON OUDEIS hEWRAKEN PWPOTE MONOGENHS QEOS
> hO WN EIS TON KOLPON TOU PATROS EKEINOS EXHGHSATO.
> >
> > Assuming that the reading above is to be preferred,
> how would you understand the referent of EKEINOS? Is it God
> with respect to his essence (in view of the anarthrous QEON)
> that MONOGENHS QEOS "explained" or is it more strictly
> speaking, the Father that was explained? It could be the
> Father specifically since John writes about EIS TON KOLPON
> TOU PATROS
>
> I would reaffirm what I think is a standard view here, that
> EKEINOS refers to MONOGENHS QEOS hO WN EIS TON KOLPON TOU
> PATROS. I think this sense is pretty much that categorized
> in BDAG s.v. EKEINOS a.β.:
>
> β. referring back to and resuming a
> word immediately preceding, oft. weakened to he, she, it
> (X., An. 4, 3, 20; Just., D. 1, 3 al.) Mk 16:10f. Esp. oft.
> so in J: 5:37; 8:44; 10:6; 11:29; 12:48; 13:6 v.l.; 14:21,
> 26; 16:14 al. Hence 19:35 perh. the eyewitness (just
> mentioned) is meant, who then, to be sure, would be vouching
> for his own credibility and love of the truth (s.
> aG).—Interchanging w. AUTOS (cp. Thu. 1, 32, 5; X., Cyr.
> 4, 5, 20; Lysias 14, 28; Kühner-G. I 649) EZWGRHMENOI
> hUP᾿ AUTOU EIS TO EKEINOU QELHMA under the spell of his
> will 2 Ti 2:26. EKEINOS for AUTOS Lk 9:34 v.l.; 23:12 v.l.
> Used to produce greater emphasis: EKEINON LABWN take that
> one Mt 17:27; cp. J 5:43. THi EKEINOU CARITI by his grace
> Tit 3:7. Sim. after a participial subj. (X., Cyr. 6, 2, 33
> hO GAR LOGCHN AKONWN, EKEINOS KAI THN YUCHN TI PARAKONAi=the
> one who sharpens his spear, he is the one who sharpens his
> inner self) TO EKPOREUOMENON EKEINO KOINOI Mk 7:20. hO
> PEMYAS EKEINOS J 1:33; cp 5:37 v.l. (for AUTOS) hO POIHSAS
> ME hUGIH EKEINOS 5:11. hO LALWN EKEINOS ESTIN 9:37. hO
> EISERCOMENOS EKEINOS KLEPTHS ESTIN 10:1. TWi LOGIZOMENWi . .
> . EKEINWi KOINON Ro 14:14 al.
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>
>
>
>
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