[B-Greek] Revisiting John 9:3

Blue Meeksbay bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com
Sat Feb 26 18:38:58 EST 2011


Hi Mark and George,
 
Thanks to you both.
 
BTW Mark, I found the *ALL᾽ hINA*  phrase 21 times in the LXX/GNT. Of those 21 
times, (not counting the passage before us), it precedes the main verb 5 times, 
(or at least IMO – some may disagree). Four of those times is in the Gospel of 
John (Jn. 1:31; 13:18; 14:31; 15:25), and the last example is in Acts 4:17.
 
Thanks again,            Blue Harris



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From: Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
To: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 1:00:09 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Revisiting John 9:3


Hi, Blue,

I like your take very much and I see nothing in the Greek that would argue 
against it.  I don't see the ALLA in verse 3 as a problem.  Jesus is just sort 
of changing the subject.  Some of the theological difficulties with the 
traditional understanding of the verse that Margaret S. raises go away with your 
analysis. 


I'm not sure how common or uncommon it is to have a purpose/result clause come 
before the main verb, but there is nothing common about John's Greek or John's 
Jesus. 


Mark L
Φωσφορος


FWSFOROS MARKOS 




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From: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 12:04:45 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] Revisiting John 9:3

Sorry, I do not know why sometimes my posts get turned topsy-turvy. I will try 
again.
 
 
JOHN 9:3-6 APEKRIQH IHSOUS• OUTE hOUTOS hHMARTEN OUTE hOI GONEIS AUTOU. ALL᾽ 
hINA FANERWQHi TA ERGA TOU QEOU EN AUTWi, EME  DEI ERGAZESQAI TA ERGA TOU 
PEMYANTOS ME hEWS hHMERA ESTIN• ERCETAI NUX, hOTE OUDEIS DUNATAI ERGAZESQAI. 
hOTAN EN TWi KOSMWi W, FWS EIMI TOU KOSMOU. TAUTA EIPWN, EPTUSEN CAMAI, KAI 
EPOIHSEN PHLON EK TOU PTUSMATOS, KAI EPECRISEN TON PHLON EPI TOUS OFQALMOUS TOU 
TUFLOU    (BYZ)
 
Forgive me if this is a silly question, but one cannot learn if one does not ask 

questions. I realize this might be awkward, but why cannot we construe verse 4 
to be the main clause for ALL᾽ hINA FANERWQHi TA ERGA TOU QEOU EN AUTWi ?   This 

way one would take *ALL᾽ hINA...* as a result clause. It would then read 
something like this –
 
Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned!   Nevertheless, so 
that the works of God might be fully shown in him, it is necessary for me to 
work, (while it is day), the work of the one who sent me, (for when the night 
comes no one will be able to work). As long as I am in the world, I am the light 

of the world.  Having said these things, he spit on the ground and made clay out 

of the saliva… etc.
 
Or,
 
Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned!   Nevertheless, so 
that the works of God might be revealed in him, it becomes essential for me to 
work the work of the one who sent me while it is still day,  (for when the night 

comes no one will be able to work). As long as I am in the world, I am the light 

of the world.  Having said these things, he spit on the ground and made clay out 

of the saliva… etc.
 
 
Since no one has understood it this way, I assume I am forgetting something.
 
Blue Harris


      
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