[B-Greek] perfective present indicative

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 21 23:54:54 EST 2011


(b) The Perfective Present is rare.It occurs in NT with 
Moulton, James Hope and Nigel Turner. A Grammar of New Testament Greek, Volume 
3, p 62: Syntax. Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1963-.

Turner notes with regard to Jn 20.23

ἄν τινων ἀφῆτε τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἀφέωνται αὐτοῖς, ἄν τινων κρατῆτε κεκράτηνται.
AN TINWN AFHTE TAS hAMARTIAS AFEWNTAI AUTOIS, AN TINWN KRATHTE KEKRATHNTAI
To accept aphientai as the correct reading would make little difference to the 
argument, as the writer (or Jesus) evidently intended the verb to be parallel in 
every way with the perfect kekratēntai, and so it is a perfective-present ("they 
are already forgiven").
Turner, Nigel. Grammatical Insights into the New Testament, p 81. Edinburgh: T. 
& T. Clark, 1966.

 george
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From: Gene Baker <ekbaker at essex1.com>
To: B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 9:35:28 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] perfective present indicative

I have come across a reference to EIMI as being a "perfective present
indicative."  I confess that it is a new term to me, and I wonder if this is
actually something from a grammar somewhere, or a term used by a commentator
to try to explain the difference in tenses at the end of John 8:58.  I'm not
wanting to resurrect old debates, just wanting to find out something about
the "perfective present indicative."  It doesn't show up in any of the
indices of my grammars (which are not many).



  TIA



  Gene Baker

  Sterling, IL

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 ἀδικέωAc 25:11 (Mt 20:13 is the usual sense of pres.) almost=be worthy of 
death, be in the wrong, P. Tebt. I 22, 11 (112 b.c.) γράψον ἡμῖν τίς ἀδ̣ι̣κ̣εῖLk 
15:27 Jn 8:42 etc. be here, Or. gr. 186, 6 (58 b.c.) ἣκω καὶ πεποίηκα τὸ 
προσκύνημα.—ἈπέχωMt 6:2 etc. (Deissmann L. v. 04. 88)=ἀπείληφαor ἔσχηκα, v. 
frequ. in the Koine (Mayser II 1, 132f).—ἈκούωLk 9:9 1 Co 11:18 2 Th 3:11, 
class. Xen. Mem. 3, 5, 26, P. Hal. 1, 167, 177 (250 b.c.), P. Amh. II 37, 8 
(ii/b.c.) etc. have heard.—ΝικάωRo 12:21 Rev 2:7 15:2 etc., class. be a 
conqueror. ΠάρεισινAc 17:6 have come (Burton 10).—ΠειθόμεθαHeb. 13:18 (corr. to 
perf. in ScCcDbc IK).—ΚεῖταιMt 3:10.—ΠάρεστινJn 11:28—Ἥττωνται2 Pt 2:20. 


      


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