[B-Greek] Need for simple, see Jane run Greek on line ( was Apostolic Fathers Greek vocab list

Mark Lightman lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Sun May 1 10:36:22 EDT 2011


Yes, George, I agree with too, and have made this point on list, a point already 
made by Paula Saffire a while ago.  This is precisely the kind of thing that 
amateurs can produce, post some where and provide a link.  Sometimes, late at 
night, I am too tired to read anything BUT Dr. Seuse Greek, and if it is late 
enough even Morrice's Easy Attic Stories is too hard.  I'd love to see pages and 
pages of really simple, yet unfamilar Greek, NOT graded.

Hopefully someone who is reading this is already working on it.



 Mark L



FWSFOROS MARKOS




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From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>; Refe Tuma <refetuma at gmail.com>; 
b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 8:22:12 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Apostolic Fathers Greek vocab list


I realize that Carl is particularly opposed to "made up" exercises, but I tend 
to think that such is precisely what we need.  If we start to read Ignatius or 
Paul or even John at the very beginning, it is equivalent to throwing a 
non-swimmer into the deep end of the pool on the very first day.  What is needed 
is an equivalent to
 
See Dick.
See Jane.
See Spot.
See Spot run.
Run, Spot, run.
 
Once one had mastered some of the basics, he can then move on to more 
complicated sentences.  


 george
gfsomsel 


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learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.


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 From: Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
To: Refe Tuma <refetuma at gmail.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 4:45:05 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Apostolic Fathers Greek vocab list

Hi, Refe,

This resource that you are making available is helpful and fills a real need.  
Ignatius is the first Greek outside the NT that should be read.  You are 
essentially making a Reader's Edition of Ignatius, something as far as I know 
hitherto unavailable.

There are two schools of thought on how a Greek text should be read.  School One 

says you should read the text straight and try to figure out what the unfamiliar 

words mean by the context and maybe by knowing the roots.  Then you  should look 

them up in an unabridged Lexicon.  School Two says that you should get a list of 

rare words and glosses in your text from some tool, Perseus, a Reader's Edition, 

a commentary, wherever, and learn the words BEFORE you read the  text.

The rationale for School One is that this is how we read English.  We figure out 

the words in context and look them up in a dictionary if we have too.  In Greek, 

you have to learn how to work backwards to the lexigraphical form, and you don't 

want the decision of which meaning to choose to be made by someone else.

School Two responds by saying that Ancient Greek is so hard that you need some 
help.  Unfamiliar words cause you to struggle to process the basic structure of 
the sentence.  By learning the words first, or by having  the glosses quickly 
available, you are able to focus on the really hard part of Greek, which is 
figuring out the syntax of the sentence, what the endings are trying to say to 
you, what goes with what.  A big unabridged lexicon  is fine for word studies, 
says School Two, but slogging through a lexicon breaks up the flow of reading.  
Let someone else do that work and you focus on more  rapid, uninterrupted 
reading.  


I don't know which school is correct.  I have read, I do read, Greek both ways.  

But I think Refe's contribution here is what the on-line Greek community is all 
about.  Create and share as many resources as possible which will help us learn 
Greek.  I'd like to see every Greek text available in a good Reader's Edition, 
and this can only be done if more people do what Refe is doing.  His vocab list 
is thoughtful, includes some parsing info, and helps him at the same time as it 
helps us.  Youngsters on the list won't believe this,  but it wasn't that long 
ago that what Refe is doing could not be done.  This is why Al Gore invented the 

Internet.

Mark L
Φωσφορος


FWSFOROS MARKOS




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From: Refe Tuma <refetuma at gmail.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 1:12:37 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] Apostolic Fathers Greek vocab list

I have begun putting together a simple list of rarer vocabulary in the
letter of Ignatius to the Magnesians, with the intention of continuing to do
this for the remaining letters of Ignatius and eventually other books in the
Apostolic Fathers collection. I thought this might be helpful for some folks
since there aren't too many resources out there for reading or  translating
this collection other than the Michael Holmes volume. I shared it over at
Textkit and got some good feedback, so I thought I would share it on B-Greek
as well. You can find it at the link below, and if you can actually create a
log in to be able to edit it like a wiki. All definitions are from BDAG,
with the exception of the rare instances where BDAG doesn't include them, in
which case they are defined according to Liddell & Scott. If you find it
helpful make sure to check in every once in a while as it will be updated a
few times per  week.

http://www.greekingout.com/groups/translation/docs/ignatius-to-magnesians-vocabulary-list



Thanks,

Refe

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