[B-Greek] OIKOS as an extended "family"
Jeffrey T. Requadt
jeffreyrequadt_list at hotmail.com
Tue May 3 01:21:23 EDT 2011
Hi George,
I think both of those are used to refer to a whole nation (Israel), right? If so, then that would still not fit the qualification of “close relational world outside of my own family.” I think these examples just go to show that this meaning is not typical Greek usage. Perhaps somewhere it is used as a term of endearment, as when Christians call each other “brothers” and “sisters,” but this only works because everyone understand that they do not mean “sibling born of one or more parent as a result of (natural) family planning, conjugal relations, nine months of love-motivated hassle, and hours of intense physical pain and epidurals, leading to thousands of dollars in medical bills, not even counting the next decades of life investment.” We understand “brothers and sisters” to be metaphorical rather than concrete. And I still don’t see example of where OIKOS is used in the sense of “close relational world outside of one’s own family” either concretely or metaphorically.
Thank you everyone for your examples. This helps me think more critically as I read these texts by people who mean well.
Jeff
From: George F Somsel [mailto:gfsomsel at yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 7:32 PM
To: Jeffrey T. Requadt; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] OIKOS as an extended "family"
10 Καὶ ἐξαπέστειλεν Αμασίας ὁ ἱερεὺς Βαιθηλ πρὸς Ιεροβοαμ βασιλέα Ισραηλ λέγων Συστροφὰς ποιεῖται κατὰ σοῦ Αμως ἐν μέσῳ οἴκου Ισραηλ· οὐ μὴ δύνηται ἡ γῆ ὑπενεγκεῖν πάντας τοὺς λόγους αὐτοῦ.
10 KAI ECEPESTEILEN AMASIAS hO hIEREUS BAIQHL PROS IROBOAM BASILEA ISRAHL LEGWN SUSTROFAS POIEITAI KATA SOU AMWS EN MESWi OIKOU ISRAHL; OU MH DUNHTAI hH GH hUPENEGKEIN PANTAS TOUS LOGOUS AUTOU.
Am 7.10
See also 7.16.
george
gfsomsel
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From: Jeffrey T. Requadt <jeffreyrequadt_list at hotmail.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 6:03:08 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] OIKOS as an extended "family"
I have been doing a little research into a church growth philosophy, and
they make a big claim about OIKOS as the Greek word for "extended family"
but ALSO denoting "8-15 people in our relational world"-as in co-workers,
close friends, classmates. I have been trying to look in BDAG and LSJ and
find no support for OIKOS as "close relational world" outside of actual
genetic closeness or the ones who live in your household. I.e., not
"extended household" but rather simply "household" (with reference to people
rather than buildings). Is anyone aware of contexts in which such an
"relational world" meaning would make the best sense? I have a feeling I
should relegate this one to the N.T. Greek Urban Legends. But I'm willing to
hear evidence otherwise.
Jeffrey T. Requadt
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