[B-Greek] ... mastering Greek vocabulary

Nikolaos Adamou ntgreekreader at gmail.com
Sat May 7 15:42:15 EDT 2011


I recently found in Google Books a book in Greek and Latin by Alexandri
Helladii, entitled "Spicilegium Technolpgocum Greacismi five grammatical
Greaca per Quoesliones & Responsiones, - Σταχυολογία Τεχνολογικὴ τῆς Ἑλλάδος
Φωνῆς ἤτοι Γραμματικη Ἑλληνικὴ κατερωταπόκρισιν παρὰ Ἀλεξάνου Ἑλλαδίου τοῦ
Θεσσαλοῦ, ᾳψιά.
The arguments of this book, as other books written by British or American
academics in the 18 & early 19 centuries that I mentioned specifically at an
other occasion in the list are in support of Caragounis arguments.
In a personal communication with prof. Caragounis, I made a note of this
literature.
Although, all these main stream arguments do not make Randall's work
irrelevant or absolute.  Randall is correct for a specific time period and
for specific dialectical flavor, but that was not the prevailed voice among
the Greeks since it makes difficult for one to distinction the nominative
from the vocative case for example.

This new book seems to be in the line of Caragounis path, and definitely,
the terms used are those introduced by Caragounis.
The voice in the "Our Father" that is provided as an example is like Modern
Greek of an Athenian standardized pronunciation.  It is given first in slow
motion, and then a bit faster, an then with the normal speed.  It is very
rhetorical in its character.

I have not seen the book, and it would be nice to see from the author some
concrete evidence of the relation of his work to the one provided by
Caragounis, both in his first article, his book and his cd.

I liked the time lines provided on the Greek Language, similar to those I
presented in my October lecture.

Those who wrote on the relationship of the Greek voice in the antiquity and
Modern Greece and search with an open mind, and visited Greece in the early
1800's either before the war of independence or after it, or even during it
have a unified and clear conclusion.

All grammar books, from Dionysios Thrax, to Theodosios, to Choeroboskos, to
the end of the byzantine empire have an extensive treatment on prosody, or
the sound of the language.  It becomes clear to me that orthophony and
orthography are closely interrelated.  It is also a link that can be
verified via the theory of music or armonics, as one can see the classical
treatises of the matter to be in agreement with the best 14 century work of
Manuel Vryennios.

Since in this list there is no so much an advertisement but discussion
forum, I would like to see some arguments of the author of this new work.


On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Eric S. Weiss <papaweiss1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> >From the post:
>
>
> http://www.jesusspokegreek.com/wp-content/uploads/READING-AND-PRONOUNCING-BIBLICAL-GREEK.pdf
>
> I see no mention in the above document of Dr. Buth's Phonemic Koinê.
>
> The author seems, like Caragounis, to argue for the Modern - i.e.
> "Historical" -
> Greek Pronunciation for the Koinê period, if I'm correctly remembering what
> Caragounis has written.
>
> Randall?
>
>
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> Eric S. Weiss
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