[B-Greek] John 3.12 to 3.13 transition
Philemon Zachariou
ntgreek at att.net
Wed May 25 01:58:22 EDT 2011
Without
the connecting words at the beginning of v. 3 (Ἀπεκρίθη ὁ Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν
αὐτῷ), it would seem that there is really no connection between Nocodemus’
acollades in v. 2 and Jesus’ actual response (Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν … ἐὰν μή τις γενηθῇ
ἀνωθεν …). The connection becomes obvious only because we know that Jesus did
respond to Nicodemus in that manner, but certainly not because of any
continuity of thought. In other words, here, too, one might say, there is a
90-degree turn. Yet we know that that’s how Jesus responded to
Nicodemus.
In
v.13 we may not have any connecting words (as we do in v. 3), but that does not
necessarily call for a paragraph break. From a stylistic standpoint we might
see v. 13 as the beginning of a new paragraph, but contextually we still see
Jesus talking about heavenly matters and truths related to ἄνωθεν. I am not aware of any translation that shows a paragraph break here, though, in my opinion, a break would serve no purpose.
Philemon
Zachariou
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From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: Eddie Mishoe <edmishoe at yahoo.com>; B Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] John 3.12 to 3.13 transition
It seems to me that a full break would do violence to the text. In 3.12 we see
a question regarding one's ability to speak regarding one's knowledge of τὰ
ἐπουράνια in contrast to the τὰ ἐπίγεια with the acceptance of the
proposition that one can only speak regarding those things of which one has
knowledge. In v 13 it asserts that there is only one who has had experience of
τὰ ἐπουράνια, viz the one who came down from heaven -- ὁ υἱος τοῦ
ἀνθρώπου, κτλ. Jesus is thereby claiming to be this son of man who has come
down from heaven with a knowledge of heavenly matters concerning which he is
therefore qualified to speak. A full break would therefore do violence to the
argument.
george
gfsomsel
… search for truth, hear truth,
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.
- Jan Hus
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From: Eddie Mishoe <edmishoe at yahoo.com>
To: B Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:16:43 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] John 3.12 to 3.13 transition
Please see below John 3.9-14 for context.
Most translations I checked do not see a paragraph break after John 3.12. The
abrupt change in subject seems too severe to me to join verse 13 to 12 as if we
are to read verse 13 as the next sentence in this paragraph. What would be the
justification for NOT seeing a full break at this 90 degree turn by John at the
conclusion of verse 12? There is no continuation of previously developed
material, right? Does anyone have a translation that does make a paragraph break
after 3.12?
9απεκριθη νικοδημος και ειπεν αυτω πως δυναται ταυτα γενεσθαι 10απεκριθη
ιησους και ειπεν αυτω συ ει ο διδασκαλος του ισραηλ και ταυτα ου γινωσκεις
11αμην αμην λεγω σοι οτι ο οιδαμεν λαλουμεν και ο εωρακαμεν μαρτυρουμεν και την
μαρτυριαν ημων ου λαμβανετε 12ει τα επιγεια ειπον υμιν και ου πιστευετε πως
εαν ειπω υμιν τα επουρανια πιστευσετε
Full Break
13και ουδεις αναβεβηκεν εις τον ουρανον ει μη ο εκ του ουρανου καταβας ο
υιος του ανθρωπου 14και καθως μωυσης υψωσεν τον οφιν εν τη ερημω ουτως
υψωθηναι δει τον υιον του ανθρωπου
Eddie Mishoe
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