Re: [Fwd: Re: Re Php 2:6 (2d response to David Moore)]

From: Alan Repurk (lars@repurk.mw.com)
Date: Mon Jul 08 1996 - 13:25:38 EDT


>
> Wes Williams wrote:
> >
> > Dear David,
>
> >
> > The Expositor's Greek Testament says: "We cannot find any passage where
> > [har.pa'zo] or any of its derivatives [including har.pag.mon'] has the sense of
> > 'holding in possession,' 'retaining'. It seems invariably to mean 'seize,'
> > 'snatch violently'.

David L. Moore wrote:

>
> Well, the truth is that hARPAGMON, as the accusative of hARPAGMOS, is a hapax
> legomena in the New Testament appearing in no other place than here at Phil. 2:6.

This reminds me of the paper I found referencing the linguist Joos, where he specifically
mentioned the case of the hapax legomena in translation. He recomends a translation which
takes the primary meaning of the word in these instances because of his theory that
the immeadiate context is of primary importance. I looked the word up on the on line
version of Lidell Scott at Perseus and only found these references :
 
harpag-mos, ho, robbery, rape, Plu.2.12a; ha. ho gamos estai Vett.Val.122.1.

2. concrete, prize to be grasped, Ep.Phil.2.6; cf. harpagma au=Ep.Phil. 2.2=lr.

>
>
> All the translations mentioned were already in print when the works pointing to
> the translation I have suggested were published. Cf. NRSV which reads in Phil 2:6,
> "Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to
> be eploited... In any case, IMHO, the line of reasoning I have outlined here is the
> best we have available toward a solution to the _crux interpretum_ that this passage
> presents.
> David L. Moore

In reference to the immeadiate context, if it is to be believed that Christ already
had equality with God, I have a problem resolving Php 2:9
 
<<<< DIO KAI O QEOS AUTON UPERUYWSEN KAI EXARISATO AUTW TO ONOMA TO
UPER PAN ONOMA (WH) >>>>
  
where by reason of [dia] his obedient actions in verse 8 he is highly elevated and given
the name above all others, a name which he did not have before, one that was given
to him by God as a reward for obedient service.

Still trying to learn Greek,
humbly,
-lars



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