From: KULIKOVSKY, Andrew (AKULIKOV@baea.com.au)
Date: Mon Jul 22 1996 - 12:03:39 EDT
Theresa J List writes:
<<I'm of the school that takes the "THS" as quite significant and the
SOQHSETAI in the expected NT sense of eternal salvation (why would Paul
discuss natural health here, instead of eternal salavtion, when this is a
letter to Timothy about how the church, who's goal is eternal salvastion
of souls, to be run?) , Thus, "saved (in the Christian sense) through
the childbirth (the birth of Christ) ... WHO will be saved? HE or SHE?
Adam or Eve, or the general, he, man, or she, woman will be saved? All
are exegetically possible.
again, EAN MEINWSIN EN PISTEL KAI AGAPH KAI AGIASMW ...
If who remains? They (women), They (men), They (men and women), They
Adam and Eve wouldn't make sense. But the other three would! The third
person seems to "backwash" over the first person, if that comment makes
sense, in that "s/he will be saved if they ..." seems to imply that the
a plural group is being referred to as a unit, therefore in the singular
(English example, "The family WAS here"), who are then referred to as
specific individuals, "if they remain..." thereforeare in the plural
(English example, "Mom. Dad, and Jr. WERE here). I think that the
paragraph beginning wiht verse 8, which starts with men and women, ends
in
verse 15, again talking about men and women.>>
I agree the immediate context here is vitally imnportant (as it always
is)
and the subject here is the establishing of mens and women's roles in
the Church and the family. The natural health suggestion is way
off beam.
However, taking THS TEKNOGONIAS as meaning the birth of Christ
seems to be really stretching it. I've heard this suggestion before
but it just "doesn't sing". For a start, we are saved by Christ's death
and ressurection not by his birth. Also, when Paul wishes to refer
to Christ as the means of attaining salvation he always uses phrases
like "through Christ" or "in Christ".
The question of who will be saved, is determined by the immediate context
ie. "a woman"
v. 11 "A woman should learn ...."
v. 12 "I do not permit a woman to teach ....."
Therefore, the "she" referred to by SOQHSETAI
(literally: she will be saved/restored) refers to "a woman". The
NIV renders this as a general pural "women" which I think is
acceptable.
The same goes for the "they" referred to by MEINWSIN
"they" are women in general.
Therefore, my translation would be:
"but a woman shall be restored (to her rightful place as the mother,
teacher and caretaker of God's children) by childbearing - if she
continues in faith, love and holiness with propriety"
How about some feedback from all you Greek legends!
ie. Carlton Winbery,
Carl Conrad,
David Moore,
Eric Weiss
Stephen Carlson
Edgar Krentz
Randy Leedy etc.
cheers,
Andrew
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