From: Carl W. Conrad (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Wed Sep 04 1996 - 10:32:49 EDT
At 8:39 AM -0500 9/4/96, Jonathan Robie wrote:
>I'm still struggling with perfect tense. My basic problem is that I have a
>time reconciling Young's description of perfect with BDR and Robertson. The
>latter two describe it basically as a past action with continuing results,
>a current state which results from a past action. They give examples to show
>different emphases (stressing the beginning, stressing the ending, timeless,
>repeated action). I assume that this presentation pre-dates current models of
>tense and aspect. But I think that I understand it!
>Young's presentation completely mystifies me. He uses an analogy of a parade,
>and says that the perfect is like a parade master who is "looking at the
>arrangements, conditions, and accompanying events in existence at the parade,
>rather than viewing the parade itself as a whole ar one float at a time".
>know how to view the parade as a whole, and I know how to view it one
>float at a
>time, but I don't know how to look at the arrangements, conditions, and
>accompanying events. I just don't know what this means.
>Even though Young seems to differ from Robertson and BDR in theory, his
>treatment of examples is similar, e.g.:
>2 Tim 4:7, TON KALON AGWNA HGWNISMAI, TON OROMON TETELEKA, THN PISTIN TETHRHKA
>Young calls this consummative perfect, saying that the state of affairs had
>continued for a while but has now come to an end. Robertson calls this a
>where the end is stressed, which pretty much agrees with BDR. But what
>have to do with the parade master?
>I could continue with other examples, but so far, it seems that the
>interpretation of specific examples in the three grammars is very similar,
>though the theoretical discussion of the meaning of perfect is significantly
>Am I missing something?
>And what *does* the parade analogy mean?
Methinketh that much imagination entereth into the explanation of grammar.
It's an occupational affliction to which we Greek teachers are subject, I
fear. At least I've never visited a textbook upon an innocent world (nor am
I criticizing anyone who has; "they also serve who only stand at the
blackboard and teach," although I have threatened to do so: every one I've
ever read has included at least one assertion or illustration that I would
HOWEVER, I've always thought there was something useful in observing the
tenses of certain Greek verbs:
Present: hISTATAI "He is moving to a standing/halting position"
Aorist: ESTH "He reached a standing position/he halted"
Perfect: hESTHKE(N) "He is standing"
Present: APOQNHiSKEI "He is dying/being executed"
Aorist: APEQANE(N) "He died/was executed"
Perfect: APOTEQNHKE(N) "He is dead"
Another notion I have thought useful in connection with the perfect tense
is Aristotle's conception of "entelechy"--a process that comes to natural
maturation/fulfilment/actualization. The great live oak tree standing
majestically and stretching out its branches in all directions illustrates
the perfect tense of a verb "to oak"; one might see the present tense of
that verb in the growth from acorn to the point at which the full-grown
acorn is itself dropping acorns, at which time one might use the perfect
tense to describe the tree in terms of its present state of full growth--or
one might continue to use the present tense inasmuch as it continues, like
the AESCULUS in Vergil's great metaphor of the tree of life, to grow, year
in, year out. I suppose that's a way of putting it that makes no more sense
to some people, however, than the parade metaphor used by Young.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
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