From: Carl W. Conrad (
Date: Sat Jan 04 1997 - 09:00:23 EST

At 10:47 PM -0600 1/3/97, Mr. Timothy T. Dickens wrote:
>As a matter of fact, a rather astute student from another list noticed this
>when the individual said:
> Ignatius come[s] across as the most "doctrinal" of the so-called
>Apostolic Fathers--and the most normative in his approach to
>doctrine? When Athanasius had to find someone in ante-Nicene days to
>justify applying the term ungenerated or ingenerate (agennetos) to
>the Son, he had a hard time finding any. Ignatius was his man.
> From Thomas A. Kopecek, Email: kopecekt@CENTRAL.EDU
>It is interesting that the term that Thomas uses here is 'a/gennetos' which
>I know is related to gennaw to 'beget.' I am interested to find out more
>specifically what MONOGHNHS or MONOGHNOS QEOS may have meant to the
>Christians of the first three centuries, prior to Nicene. Regardless of
>what this word may mean in light of contemporary etymological pursuits, the
>ante-Nicene fathers thought --until the fourth century at least-- that
>Christ had been begotten before the creation of the world, perhaps for the
>purpose of creating the world itself, cf. Jn 1:3, Prov.8:22-31.

I'm delighted to see that you've cited Tom Kopecek on this matter; he's
just the sort of "hair-splitting patristic scholar" I was thinking about in
my post yesterday and I have high regard for his opinions (someone once
wrote that to be resident at a place called Pella is itself a
recommendation: I like that statement, whether it's literally true or
not!). Let me add that by "hair-splitting" I meant no disrespect; in my
judgment patristics is an area requiring much finer discernment (of
doctrinal distinctions) than I can claim for myself. However, as I have
said in my response to Mitchell Andrews already, I don't think this is the
proper forum for discussion of patristic usage of the term MONOGENHS; it
seems to me that the Elenchus list, where I lurk quietly and where I have
observed Tom's learned lexicographical research and recent contributions to
the discussion of the meaning of the word "orthodox," would be a more
appropriate forum for this admittedly interesting, if rather arcane, realm
of discussion.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
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