From: Carl W. Conrad (email@example.com)
Date: Wed Jan 08 1997 - 18:00:45 EST
At 4:09 PM -0600 1/8/97, Jonathan Robie wrote:
>At 01:52 PM 1/8/97 -0600, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>> I don't have my previous post at hand, but I believe that I said I thought
>> MEIZONA (CARISMATA) referred not just to AGAPH but rather to PISTIS,
>ELPIS, and AGAPH,
>> the three endowments that MENEI (13:13) even after the others fade away
>> dawning of the new age
>I'm reluctant to believe this simply because of the nature of spiritual
>gifts expressed in 1 Cor 12:4 ff:
>1Cor 12:4 (GNT) DIAIRESEIS DE CARISMATWN EISIN, TO DE AUTO PNEUMA: 5 KAI
>DIAIRESEIS DIAKONIWN EISIN, KAI hO AUTOS KURIOS: 6 KAI DIAIRESEIS
>ENERGHMATWN EISIN, hO DE AUTOS QEOS hO ENERGWN TA PANTA EN PASIN. 7 EKASTW
>DE DIDOTAI hH FANERWSIS TOU PNEUMATOS PROS TO SUMFERON...
>The CARISMATA are distributed among the body. Some people are given this
>gift, others that gift, all from the same spirit and all for the benefit of
>But love isn't like this. *All* Christians are called to faith, hope, and
>love. Therefore, I have a hard time seeing these as CARISMATA. To me, the
>CARISMATA are means towards edification, but love is "(ta'da!) ... a course
Do you think that believers come to have faith, hope, and love of their own
initiative? I think that they are gifts of God, hence CARISMATA.
>I once heard a teacher refer to the use of spiritual gifts without
>transforming love as "the cosmetic renewal".
I like this!
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
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