From: Carl W. Conrad (email@example.com)
Date: Thu Feb 20 1997 - 10:08:34 EST
I sent this response to Lee Martin off-list before I realized that he had
in fact sent the same message to which I was responding to the list. So,
for what it's worth, here's my (tentative) answer to his question.
>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:46:11 -0600
>To: "Lee R. Martin" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>From: "Carl W. Conrad" <email@example.com>
>Subject: Re: Romans 7:21 TWi QELONTI EMOI, TON NOMON
>At 10:23 AM -0600 2/20/97, Lee R. Martin wrote:
>>Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>>> At 11:56 AM -0600 2/19/97, Jonathan Robie wrote:
>>> >I'm still throwing inkpots at participles, but I've gotten through
>>> >and I think I now understand most of it pretty well
>>> Do participles become better participles for having inkpots thrown at them?
>>> (Fear not, I DO recognize the allusion).
>>> >(thanks for all your
>>> >help, folks!). I have one remaining grammatical question, this time on
>>> >Romans 7:21:
>>> >Romans 7:21 hEURISKW ARA TON NOMON, TWi QELONTI EMOI POIEIN TO KALON, hOTI
>>> >EMOI TO KAKON PARAKEITAI
>>> >Zerwick translates TWi QELONTI EMOI "when I want".
>>> This is the meaning, but it's not literal, of course.
>>> >I don't know if I
>>> >understand the grammar well enough to follow this. Can I think of this as
>>> >"to me, [who is] wanting to do good", or is there something else I should
>>> >understand here?
>>> Yes, precisely.
>>Is it possible that TWi QELONTI EMOI could be construed as a dative
>>(locative, a la Robertson) of time? Thus, the translation "when."
>I wouldn't call this locative at all, I think the dative (EMOI) is
>governed ultimately by the verb PARAKEITAI, and that TWi QELONTI is
>actually appositional to EMOI. Despite the fact that QELONTI has an
>article with it, I think it still has something of that circumstantial
>force; it could be translated either with a relative (adjectival) or an
>adverbial clause, I think:
> "For me, the one who wills to do good, the available option is evil"
> "For me, whenever I will to do good, the available option is evil."
>I'm not sure that the difference between these two ways of looking at it
>is a very sharp one. (but I could very well be wrong!)
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
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