Re: 1 Jn 2:7-8, Contradiction?

From: Paul S. Dixon (
Date: Thu Sep 25 1997 - 12:10:34 EDT


Did you even read what I said about the difference between 2:7 and 2:8
being the different meanings or nuances of KAINHN? You certainly gave
the impression in your answer that you must have glossed right over it.
I know how easy it is to do that, so I am just asking you to read over
again what I said regarding BAG's discussion.

If I am correct, that there are two different meanings of KAINHN being
used, then the contradiction evaporates. Or, as you say, the riddle has
been solved.

Dr. Paul S. Dixon, Pastor
Wilsonville, Oregon

On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:25:10 -0400 Jonathan Robie
<> writes:
>At 12:11 AM 9/25/97 EDT, Paul S. Dixon wrote:
>>You would have a contradiction between 2:7 and 2:8 only if the
>>KAINHN of 2:7 and the ENTOLHN KAINHN OF 2:8 were identical. Just
>>they go by the same label does not mean they are the same.
>To me, the commandment is, in both cases, to love. This is clearly the
>"commandment" of 1 John.
>It is not a new commandment, for we have had this commandment since
>beginning. Yet it is a true commandment, because it true in Him and in
>and the light shines in the darkness. What is new is not the content
>of the
>commandment, but the form - we have seen it demonstrated in the life
>Jesus, and it has been written on our hearts.
>>Is this not exactly what John has in mind in v. 8 where he
>immediately adds,
>>hO ESTIN ALNQES EN AUTWi KAI EN hUMIN? The new here is superior to
>>old because it is exemplied by the life of Christ, and because it is
>>in the life of the saints, implying it is something can and is obeyed
>>the children of God.
>I agree - that is the difference. The content of the commandment is
>the same.
>>Does John contradict himself in 1 Jn 2:7-8? No, there is no
>>contradiction here, because his use of KAINOS differs in the two
>We seem to use the word "contradiction" differently, and
>contradictions seem
>to be threatening to some people. I agree with Carl that this
>sets up a riddle to be solved.
>Jonathan Robie
>POET Software, 3207 Gibson Road, Durham, N.C., 27703

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