Re: 2:7-8 - going off-list

From: Jonathan Robie (
Date: Thu Sep 25 1997 - 09:46:34 EDT

I would *love* to respond to the points Jim raises here, but not on the
list, because this is too far off the topic of the list. If anyone is
interested in my response, send me an email, and I'll put you on the Cc:
list for my response. I'll probably say something about epistemology and
logic, too...


At 11:42 PM 9/24/97 +0100, Jim Beale wrote:
>At 9:12 PM -0400 9/24/97, Jonathan Robie wrote:
>>I don't want to beat this into the ground, but for the sake of clarity:
>I don't either, but given that you say:
>>1. My working definition of a contradiction is a set of statements that
>>affirm both A and NOT A.
>I'm not sure how can you say that:
>>5. I do not believe that either paradox or contradiction indicate error,
>>nor that formal logic is the only or best avenue to truth.
>(a) given two statements, one affirming A and the other denying A,
>at the same time and in the same sense, then one of those statements
>is necessarily false. Assuming, as we must, that the author intends
>to assert the truth of both, then he surely must be mistaken on one
>count. This is surely an indication of error!
>(b) Logic is not properly an avenue to truth, that is the function of
>revelation. Logic or coherence is a test for falsehood. Two propositions
>may not contradict, but both be false. They may be contrary in which
>case one or both are false. Or they may be contradictories, in which
>case exactly one is false. Logic won't tell _which_ is false though
>so it is not properly an avenue to truth.
>(c) Jesus is the Logos. If you look that up in LSJ, you will notice
>that all of the definitions are related to rationality. I think the
>point is that God is wholly coherent and wholly rational. His Word,
>then, cannot be thought to be anything less than wholly rational,
>whether we happen to understand it or not.
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Jonathan Robie
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