Re: John 1:5

From: Richard Lindeman (
Date: Fri May 08 1998 - 13:39:19 EDT

Edgar wrote:
>But it does not contain a dependent clause either. Rather John 1:5 contains
>two independent clauses joined by the conjunction KAI. Hence the time must
>relate to the time of the writer [or in this case, of the pre-existing
>hymnic passage which he is citing and interpreting].

I see your point. If verse 5 contained clauses which were dependent upon
verse 4 then I would need to translate FAINEI in relative time as a
historical present "the light was shining in the darkness" (which is exactly
what I first attempted to do at first). But by understanding this instead
as an independent clause then I can now translate FAINEI in absolute time
from the reference point of John who says: "the light is/has been shining".

The reason that I at first was reading verse 5 as a dependent clause was
because I felt that verses 1 - 3 focused on the time of creation while
verses 4 and 5 were changing the focus to the time of incarnation... but I
can see now that translating FAINEI as a historical present would be a

Rich Lindeman

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