Re: Romans 16:7/Jonathan's Post

From: Carl W. Conrad (
Date: Mon Aug 10 1998 - 08:09:10 EDT

At 10:08 PM -0400 8/09/98, Jonathan Robie wrote:
>At 09:52 PM 8/9/98 -0400, Theodore H. Mann wrote:
>>On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:39:31 -0400 Jonathan Robie <>
>Is your mailer using the historical present?
>>> But it requires nowhere near the stretching done by those who construe
>>>Junia as male.
>>Have I misread your post, or are you saying that Junia (female) was an
>This is the way I read it. Of course, "apostle" does not mean one of the 12
>apostles in this passage.

I just want to add a note here that there has been much discussion of this
subject before, much of it focused on the long-standing effort to read
IOUNIAN as some sort of acc. sg. m. shortened form of a Latin name
JUNIANUS, which in fact is unattested. There's no doubt that it's a woman
and that her name is JUNIA, a very common Latin nomen gentile. The text
says she is "distinguished among the apostles"; one can play with what EN +
dative means here and imagine that it means something like "The apostles
hold her in high regard," but that does seem a rather strained view.

I don't think this is the proper forum for a discussion of APOSTOLOS,
inasmuch as historical-critical assumptions are involved as well as
text-critical perspectives on the gospels and Acts, but my own OPINION is
that APOSTOLOS is a word that doesn't really become current until the
church becomes a missionary enterprise, that it's questionable whether
Jesus used the word for a body of disciples appointed by him. Paul seems to
speak of "the 12" hOI DWDEKA without the term APOSTOLOI appended. I don't
doubt that there's a considerable bibliography on this matter with which I
am personally unfamiliar.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
Summer: 1647 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243

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