Re: PRWTOTOKOS: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND MAYBE TOO MUCH

From: Jonathan Robie (jonathan@texcel.no)
Date: Mon Nov 09 1998 - 19:05:32 EST


I would like to explain that the one message I posted after Carl's request
was written before he wrote his request, and when I posted my message, that
was also when I downloaded Carl's. I simply didn't see it before my last post.

Sorry...

Jonathan

At 06:49 PM 11/9/98 -0400, Edward Hobbs wrote:
>
>Colleagues:
>
>I have been traveling, and out of the loop for a few days; I return to an
>unbelievable mass of discussions of Col. 1:15 and PRWTOTOKOS, with
>endless rephrasing of the same points, much scarcely-concealed theological
>baggage on all sides, and no end in sight.
>
>Carl has clearly asked that the thread be shut down. NOW. And yet it goes
>on.
>
>I not only agree with Carl, I'll put it more strongly:
>
>
>STOP! STOP! STOP! No more!
>
>
>The discourse has been quite civil; incivility is not the problem this time
>(thanks be to haShem!). But there is nothing new being said, and it is
>eating up great bandwidth in going nowhere.
>
>
>
>Edward Hobbs
>CoChair (with Carl), B-Greek
>
>
>------------Carl wrote, in part------->>>>>>>>.
>
>Subj: RE: PRWTOTOKOS: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND MAYBE TOO MUCH
>
>
>I frankly think that we have far overstepped the boundaries here into
>hermeneutics; I don't speak for anyone else, but I am not accustomed to
>taking this language in a "matter-of-fact sense." I think, however, that we
>are now far-removed from what the grammar of the passage can tell us and we
>are into the matter of how we understand the word meanings. I doubt
>seriously whether an understanding of the Greek can help us with this; it's
>a matter of the hermeneutical presuppositions that we bring to bear upon
>the text. And I don't think that's a matter we should get any further into.
>
>....
>
>I think it has been almost wholly theological since its inception; I think
>that the Greek has only been discussed insofar as it seems to support one
>or another theological stance.
>
>...
>
>Quite frankly, I think that point has been reached, and actually reached
>some time ago, perhaps even EN ARCHi, so far as this thread is concerned.
>Yes, it has been civil--but it has become increasingly repetitive, without,
>so far as I can discern, new points being brought to bear but rather with
>old points being reformulated in slightly different phrasing.
>
>...
>
>Carl W. Conrad
>
>
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