From: Ben Crick (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Thu Nov 12 1998 - 16:03:58 EST
On Tue 10 Nov 98 (12:54:49), email@example.com wrote:
> The text of Gen. 21:10 reads:PAIZONTA META ISAAK TOU hUIOU AUTHS.
> My question: What was Ishmael doing to Isaac? I have my own ideas, but
> this verse has brought up some questions.
Your question obviously wasn't addressed by my earlier simplistic reply re:
the meaning of PIAZW.
IMHO we need to look at the Galatians 4:29-30 "allegory" where "Ishmael"
represents the Judaizers who "persecuted" Paul, and "Isaac" the "true
believers" who supported Paul. In the O.T. "Ishmael" never ceased to
persecute "Isaac" as we see from Psalm 83:2-8 (the Hagarites) and also
1 Chronicles 5:10, 19 (Hagarites again). See also Josephus, /Antiquities/
XV.5.1-5. The irony is that Saul of Tarsus himself "persecuted the Church
of God" (1 Corinthians 15:9; Galatians 1:13) before he was converted and
Jim West rightly drew our attention to Isaac "sporting" with Rebekah,
but I'm sure there are no sexual overtones here. True, Potiphar's wife
accused Joseph *PAIDA* hEBRAION, *EMPAIZEIN* hHMIN (Genesis 39:14 LXX)
by attempting to rape her: and again EISELQE PROS ME *hO PAIS hO hEBRAIOS
...EMPAIXAI MOI* (verse 17). Isaac was a baby, even if babies were not
weaned until the age of 3. Ishmael was a young teen, rather younger than
Joseph. What Abimelech saw in Genesis 26:8 was "the way of a man with a
maid" (Proverbs 30:19); not the way of a sibling with a rival!
ISTM, if I may say so, that we are dealing with "blasphemy" against the
"Covenant". The same verb in the LXX (PAIZW) is used of the juveniles who
"mocked" Elisha as he returned from seeing Elijah ascend into heaven on
the chariot of fire. "Go up, thou baldhead" they "mocked": PAIDARIA MIKRA
...*KATEPAIZON* AUTOU (2 Kings 2:23 LXX). These PAIDIA MIKRA would have
been no more than Ishmael's age no doubt. What was their sin that a she-bear
came out and killed them? Not just disrespectful name-calling...
They had mocked the Prophet of YHWH. Elijah, an extremely hirsute man, had
just "gone up". "You go up too, baldy!" they mocked the less-well-thatched
Elisha. The people of Bethel owned one of the "calves" which Jeroboam had
set up as a Baal to worship in place of YHWH. These youths were brought up
to despise YHWH and to worship the idol placed by "Jeroboam the son of
Nebat who taught Israel to sin" (2 Kings 3:3, etc).
Mockimg the Prophet is considered tantamount to mocking the God who
commissioned the prophet; compare the /fatwah/ of the late Ayatollah
Xhoimeini (sp?) against Salman Rushdie for "blasphemy": not against God,
but against the one whom today's descendants of Ishmael hold to be the
Prophet of God.
I am aware that I have left the realm of linguistics and lexicography and
ventured (albeit warily) into the forbidden realms of hermeneutics and
If I have offended against the FAQs and canons of b-greek, I lay my hand
upon my mouth, and hold my peace: refraining from further posts on this
thread. As far as I can see, no controversial matters are at stake here...
-- Revd Ben Crick, BA CF <firstname.lastname@example.org> 232 Canterbury Road, Birchington, Kent, CT7 9TD (UK) http://www.cnetwork.co.uk/crick.htm
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