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Dr. Gibson suggested I share this with B-Greek:

Paul James Moore

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Dr. Gibson: Here is what I could bring up..... I do not have a lexical
search for the LXX.....


Num 20:24 prosteqhvtw Aarwn proV" toVn laoVn aujtou' o{ti ouj mhV
eijsevlqhte eij" thVn gh'n h}n devdwka toi'" uiJoi'" Israhl diovti
parwxuvnatev me ejpiV tou' u{dato" th'" loidoriva"
4 Aaron shall be gathered unto his people: for he shall not enter into the
land which I have given unto the children of Israel, because ye rebelled
against my word at the water of Meribah

Josh 23:7 o{pw" mhV eijsevlqhte eij" taV e[qnh taV kataleleimmevna
tau'ta kaiV taV ojnovmata tw'n qew'n aujtw'n oujk ojnomasqhvsetai ejn uJmi'n
oujdeV mhV proskunhvshte aujtoi'" oujdeV mhV latreuvshte aujtoi'"
7 That ye come not among these nations, these that remain among you; neither
make mention of the name of their gods, nor cause to swear [by them], neither
serve them, nor bow yourselves unto them:

Dr. Gibson: feels this is saying: "do not engage in the idolatrous practices
which typify the "nations." That is not what the Greek says: the overall
meaning is that, but the Greek does not say that with this one word. The word
is really "enter" or "come" not engage.

I Sam. 9:13 wJ" a]n eijsevlqhte thVn povlin ou{tw" euJrhvsete aujtoVn ejn
th'/ povlei priVn ajnabh'nai aujtoVn eij" Bama tou' fagei'n o{ti ouj mhV
favgh/ oJ laoV" e{w" tou' eijselqei'n aujtovn o{ti ou|to" eujlogei' thVn
qusivan kaiV metaV tau'ta ejsqivousin oiJ xevnoi kaiV nu'n ajnavbhte o{ti diaV
thVn hJmevran euJrhvsete aujtov
13 As soon as ye be come into the city, ye shall straightway find him, before
he go up to the high place to eat: for the people will not eat until he come,
because he doth bless the sacrifice; [and] afterwards they eat that be bidden.
Now therefore get you up; for about this time ye shall find him.
Jer. 42:19 19 a} ejlavlhsen kuvrio" ejf= uJma'" touV" kataloivpou" Iouda
mhV eijsevlqhte eij" Ai[gupton kaiV nu'n gnovnte" gnwvsesqe
19 The LORD hath said concerning you, O ye remnant of Judah; Go ye not into
Egypt: know certainly that I have admonished you this day.

Jer. 43:2 2 2 kaiV mhV eijsevlqh/" eij" krivsin metaV tou' douvlou sou o{ti
ouj dikaiwqhvsetai ejnwvpiovn sou pa'" zw'n
2 And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man
living be justified.

Dr. Gibson: feels can be interpreted "do not engage in judging your

Jer. 65:5 5 5 tavde levgei kuvrio" mhV eijsevlqh/" eij" qivason aujtw'n kaiV
mhV poreuqh'/" tou' kovyasqai kaiV mhV penqhvsh/" aujtouv" o{ti ajfevstaka
thVn eijrhvnhn mou ajpoV tou' laou' touvtou
For thus saith the LORD, Enter not into the house of mourning, neither go to
lament nor bemoan them: for I have taken away my peace from this people, saith
the LORD, [even] lovingkindness and mercies
        Dr. Gibson: this says "do not engage in mourning." It really says, don't
even begin... it is a stronger statement than engage in.

Jos. 23:6

 kaiV ei\pen Azaria" uiJoV" Maasaiou kaiV Iwanan uiJoV" Karhe kaiV paint" oiJ
a[ndre" oiJ ei[pante" tw'/ Ieremia levgonte" yeuvdh oujk ajpevsteilevn se
kuvrio" proV" hJma'" levgwn mhV eijsevlqhte eij" Ai[gupton oijkei'n ejke

12 And I will kindle a fire in the houses of the gods of Egypt; and he shall
burn them, and carry them away captives: and he shall array himself with the
land of Egypt, as a shepherd putteth on his garment; and he shall go forth
from thence in peace.

Dan 3:2
2 kaiV ajpevsteilen sunagagei'n touV" uJpavtou" kaiV touV" strathgouV" kaiV
touV" topavrca" hJgoumevnou" kaiV turavnnou" kaiV touV" ejp= ejxousiw'n kaiV
pavnta" touV" a[rconta" tw'n cwrw'n ejlqei'n eij" taV ejgkaivnia th'"
eijkovno" h|" e[sthsen Naboucodonosor oJ basileuv" kaiV Naboucodonosor
basileuV" basilevwn kaiV kurieuvwn th'" oijkoumevnh" o{lh" ajpevsteilen
ejpisunagagei'n pavnta taV e[qnh kaiV fulaV" kaiV glwvssa" satravpa"
strathgouv" topavrca" kaiV uJpavtou" dioikhtaV" kaiV touV" ejp= ejxousiw'n
kataV cwvran kaiV pavnta" touV" kataV thVn oijkoumevnhn ejlqei'n eij" toVn
ejgkainismoVn th'" eijkovno" th'" crush'" h}n e[sthse Naboucodonosor oJ
2 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king sent to gather together the princes, the
governors, and the captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the
sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, to come to the dedication of
the image which Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

Here we have the infinitive... this is again "enter" or "come" which stresses
only the initial touching of the issue, object or place.


Question 1: The interpretation is forced beyond the evidence of the New
Testament, even the LXX, and "secular" usage.

Question 2: In secular: P Oxy II. 237:8 (A.D. 186) "he shall enter upon the
more serious lawsuit."
  NT: Matt. 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation
                Mark 14:38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.
                Luke 22: 6 And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter
into temptation

Question 3: I think the best meaning is as noted by L & N: NOT "commit or
engage in"
        d. Begin to experience 90.70 "to begin to experience an event of state" This
is the one assigned by L & N to this passage in Mark 14:38. "To come into an
experience, to attain"


Paul James Moore

P.S. I do not feel this is critical for your upcoming SBL paper... As I
noted in my work previously regarding your paper.

P.S.S. Break a leg-- Your approach of seeing the Wilderness backdrop in "Q"
is thought provoking.

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