Re: Are participles temporally unmarked? Mk 1:35

From: Moon-Ryul Jung (
Date: Sat Mar 06 1999 - 19:29:02 EST

Dear George,

On 03/06/99, ""George Blaisdell" <>" wrote:
> >From: "Moon-Ryul Jung"
> >But though I like your statement that
> >
> > "it does so through aspect, which is in truth inseparable
> > from time designation",
> >
> >we can state this intuition better by separating (reference) time and
> >aspect....
> >The reference time can be determined from the context.
> >
> >For example, consider Mark 1: 35, which I recently read:
> >
> >Kai pro^i ennuka lian anastas exelthen kai ape^lthen.
> > inmorning night still rising he-went
> >
> >When the hearer hears the phrase "pro^i ennuka lian anastas",
> >he/she would immediately form a situation in the mind where
> >somebody rose IN THE EARLY MORNING, which is the reference time >for
> the situation described by the aorist participle clause.
> Moon ~ [Is that name ok for you??]


> So at least in this case, the aorist participial clause actually
> determines the "Reference Time" [If I am understanding you correctly] of
> the main verb[s].
YES. But as you indicated in the following statement, the aorist
clauses describe a situation which will be USED to determine the reference
for the main clause. The RT of the main clause may refer to the resulting
stage of this situation or some other stage.

>It IS the time context. And the 'main' [indicative]
> verb[s] have their 'time[s]' derived from it.


> And aspectually ANASTAS simply indicates the fact of the complete action
> of arising at this time, which time is actually given two
> specifications.

I do not understand "which time is actually given TWO SPECIFICATIONS".

> The word order of this specification seems important, in that it follows
> the principle of paralleling couplets:

YES. For one thing, the word order affects the way the reference time
is introduced and modified.

> 1 PRWI
> 2' LIAN
> So that we are in effect being told: "Not only did he arise in the
> morning, but he got up while it was still dark outside." This because
> of the concentration of emphasis into the center couplet 2-2'. [Why
> that emphasis is important I do not know...]
> I'm seeing paralleling couplets ever-whahrs these days! :-)
> George
> George Blaisdell
> Roslyn, WA
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Moon-Ryul Jung
Assistant Professor
Dept of Computer Science
Soongsil University,
Seoul, Korea

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