From: Moon-Ryul Jung (email@example.com)
Date: Sat Apr 24 1999 - 20:27:49 EDT
On 04/24/99, ""Carl W. Conrad" <firstname.lastname@example.org>" wrote:
> At 10:56 PM -0500 4/23/99, Moon-Ryul Jung wrote:
> >Dear Carl,
> >On 04/23/99, ""Carl W. Conrad" <email@example.com>" wrote:
> >> At 12:31 AM -0500 4/23/99, Moon-Ryul Jung wrote:
> >> >Dear B-Greekers,
> >> >
> >> >In 1 Cor 15:51, we read
> >> >PANTES OU KOIMHQHSOMEQA, PANTES DE ALLAGHSOMEQA.
> > "All of us inclusively (i.e. 100% of us) are NOT going to
> >> sleep, but all of us inclusively (i.e. 100% of us) ARE going to undergo
> >> transformation.."
> >Does this rendering imply that no one of us is going to sleep?
> No. Perhaps you'd prefer this: "We shall not sleep--all of us." Certainly
> it could have been written OU PANTES KOIMHQHSOMEQA and perhaps have been
> clearer that way, but I don't think the meaning is changed by the different
> word order so much as that Paul intended to make PANTES the emphatic word
> in both clauses in order to make it all the more forceful in the second
> clause. He wants to emphasize the collective aspect of apocalyptic
> redemption. Perhaps an even more vivid rendering, though I don't know
> whether the Greek could properly be punctuated to yield this: "All of
> us--even though we won't be all sleeping--yet ALL OF US will undergo
Carl, to see if I have understood you, let me ask clarifying
questions. But let me first mention three translations:
1) Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be
2)I'm telling you a mystery. Not all of us will die, but we will
all be changed. GWT
3) Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep,
but we shall all be changed, ASV
a) Does your understanding support the ASV translation ( 1)?
b) Is the RSV translation (1) ambiguous between (2) and (3)?
c) I thought that the context indicates (2) correctly captures
the meaning of PANTES OU KOIMHQHSOMEQA, PANTES DE ALLAGHSOMEQA.
Is it grammatically possible to render it as (2)?
d) If Paul wrote OU PANTES KOIMHQHSOMEQA, wouldn't it clearly mean
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