From: George Blaisdell (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Mon Jun 28 1999 - 12:00:51 EDT
>From: "Moon-Ryul Jung"
KAI ANABLEYAS ELEGEN, BLEPW TOUS ANQRWPOUS hOTI hWS DENDRA hORW
>I like "hOTI = the fact being that..." very much. Given S1, hOTI S2,
>we have "S1, the fact being that S2". In this case, S2 basically explains
>the statement of S1. Depending on the context, S2 states a cause for S1,
>though the causal link may not be strong in many cases.
>Let me ask some clarifying questions:
>1) Is "QUOD = the fact being that ..." a well-established fact?
>2) If "hOTI = the fact being that ..." can be defened, I think we have
>a very nice result. We have a unified notion of hOTI; we do not have to
>worry about whether the given hOTI clause is causal or not. We simply need
>respect the ambiguity of "The fact being that ...". Sometimes, it
>the preceding statement as in Mark 8:24. Sometimes, it provides some weak
>causal connection, too weak to be rendered as "because". Sometimes, "the
>fact being that ...." can be considered to state a strong causal
>In sum, is it reasonable to always consider hOTI to be "the fact being that
>without worrying about whether it states a cause or not?
>3) If so, the meaning of hOTI seems very close to that of GAR. Given S1.
>GAR S2, S2 states some explanation for S1. For example, consider:
>KAI ANABLEYAS ELEGEN, BLEPW TOUS ANQRWPOUS GAR hWS DENDRA hORW
>I see men; I perceive them walking like trees.
>Is GAR interchangeable with hOTI in many cases?
I have been out of this one, but would like to add a small observation that
occurred to me along the lines of this compprehensional rendition of hOTI as
"the fact being that..."
As a hO TI ~ 'the what' ~ hOTI can be approached as an answer to an implied
question 'TI' [so what? etc] Thus hOTI becomes in English "The what
So that in this example, "I am seeing the men", which is no big deal, hOTI ~
the what (of me seeing them] being... ~ as trees hORW walking!
This is much along the lines of "the fact being that...", but with the added
idea of "The 'so what? [fact]' being that..."
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