Re: the second subjunctive John 15:8

From: Carl W. Conrad (
Date: Fri Oct 29 1999 - 11:03:02 EDT

At 7:29 AM -0500 10/29/99, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>At 7:49 AM -0500 10/29/99, Jay Adkins wrote:
>>The hINA + subjunctive clauses was recently well explained to me by Prof.
>>Carl W. Conrad and I thought I had finally gotten a good understanding of
>>it, then I ran across John 15:8. The different translations I use to help
>>me decide if I am on the right track served only to confuse the >issue
>>this time. ...
>It should certainly not be supposed that subjunctive clauses with hINA are
>always purpose clauses; almost as often they are NOT purpose clauses but
>simple substantive clauses--noun clauses, and that is the case with this
>one: the hINA clause functions as a substantive in apposition to TOUTWi,
>indicating precisely what fact it is wherein the Father has gotten

I guess I failed to make clear that in this instance BOTH subjunctives,
FERHTE and GENHSQE, are part of the same hINA substantive clause standing
in apposition to EN TOUTWi. If one wants to make a big thing of the fact
that FERHTE is present while GENHSQE is aorist, I'd convey the difference
thus: "In this has my Father been glorified, the fact that you keep on
bearing much fruit and that you get to be (become) my disciples."

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics/Washington University
One Brookings Drive/St. Louis, MO, USA 63130/(314) 935-4018
Home: 7222 Colgate Ave./St. Louis, MO 63130/(314) 726-5649

B-Greek home page:
You are currently subscribed to b-greek as: []
To unsubscribe, forward this message to
To subscribe, send a message to

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Sat Apr 20 2002 - 15:40:44 EDT