Re: 1 Tim 2:11-12

From: Christopher Hutson (crhutson@salisbury.net)
Date: Tue Jun 13 2000 - 16:08:33 EDT


David,

The problem I see with your proposal is not the variant word order but the
presence of DE. Since DE is post-positive, the word before DE is actually
the beginning of a new clause. So I think, whether or not you accept the
textual variant, DIDASKEIN must go with EPITREPW and not with MANQANETW.

In order to support your proposal, you would need to offer some evidence for
the use of DE as the first word in its clause. I know of nothing that would
support such usage.

XPIC

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>From: d.roe@t-online.de (Roe)
>To: Biblical Greek <b-greek@franklin.oit.unc.edu>
>Subject: 1 Tim 2:11-12
>Date: Tue, Jun 13, 2000, 11:28 AM
>

> Hello forum,
>
> I hope the subject line doesn't appear to any as a red flag...
>
> The text:
>
> GUNH EN hHSUCIAi MANQANETW EN PASHi hUPOTAGHi DIDASKEIN DE GUNAIKIN OUK
> EPITREPW OUDE AUQENTEIN ANDROS ...
>
>
> Parenthetically, there is a textual issue involving the word order of
> the last 3 words in the following line... (The NA omits discussion of
> the variant reading, so I assume there are little or no witnesses other
> than the Byz-text.)
>
> Nestle/Aland:
>
> MANQANETW EN PASHi hUPOTAGHi **DIDASKEIN DE GUNAIKIN**
>
> Robinson-Pierpont Majority Text:
>
> MANQANETW EN PASHi hUPOTAGHi **GUNAIKIN DE DIDASKEIN**
>
>
> Assuming the NA reading to be right, here is my question:
>
>
> Even as 1 Tim 5:4 says of widows "(let them first) learn to practice
> piety":
>
> MANQANETWSAN PRWTON (TON IDION OIKON) EUSEBEIN
>
> ...could not MANQANETW (EN PASHi hUPOTAGHi) DIDASKEIN of 1 Tim 2:11
> and 12 mean "learn ... to teach"?
>
>
> MANQANW stands in both passages in the imperative present active, and
> both EUSEBEIN and DIDASKEIN are infinitive present active. From my
> limited perspective, it seems as though the reading I've suggested for 1
> Tim 2:11-12, **when snipped out of the passage**, could have validity.
>
> However, would its position within the rest of 1Tim 2:12 allow such a
> reading? Particularly, I would then wonder about OUDE in DE GUNAIKIN OUK
> EPITREPW OUDE AUQENTEIN ANDROS ...
>
> Thanks for your syntactical consideration,
>
> David
>
> D.W. Roe
> Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
>
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