[b-greek] Re: Translation of EKKLHSIA

From: J. Garnier (nomre2me@home.com)
Date: Tue Aug 22 2000 - 04:35:36 EDT


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>At 12:26 PM
8/22/00 -0500, you wrote:<BR>&gt;I'm interested in getting your thoughts on the
best translation for<BR>&gt;EKKLHSIA.&nbsp;</FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><BR>&nbsp;I hope I am included in your, as I agree with Jim West, who
said:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&gt;<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>I am
personally partial to the word "assembly"- </FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>with this addition of preceding assembly with "called-out", for the reason
that an assembly can be a bunch of people in one place, not necessarily a group
convened for a specific purpose.&nbsp; As to the use of church, this give the
erroneous assumption than an EKKLHSIA can only be a religious body, which is not
the case, as attested by</DIV>
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<DIV><A
href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0006&query=head%3d%23765&word=ecclesia"><CITE>The
Princeton Encyclopedia of Classical Sites</CITE> (eds. Richard Stillwell,
William L. MacDonald, Marian Holland McAllister): id delphi [<E>D: <PLACENAME
full="yes"><SETTLEMENT full="yes">DELPHI</SETTLEMENT> <REGION
full="yes">Phokis</REGION>, <COUNTRY full="yes">Greece</COUNTRY>. <REF
targorder="u" type="map">Map 11.</REF></PLACENAME></E>]</A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>"</FONT>prytaneis the archon eponymus being probably one of them, a
Boula, or council, of 15 members in charge during six months, and a popular
assembly <FONT color=red>ecclesia</FONT>. "</DIV>
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<DIV><A
href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0030&query=section%3d%23152&word=ecclesia">E.C.
Marchant, <CITE>Commentary on Thucydides: Book 2</CITE>: book 2, chapter 40,
section 2 [<E>Commentary on Book 2</E>]</A><BR>"This contains an encouragement
to the citizens to exercise their right of voting in the <FONT
color=red>ecclesia</FONT>, since they were capable of pronouncing an opinion on
any policy proposed to them: but there are cases in which the citizens
conspicuously erred in their judgment. "</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A plethora of other examples can be found at
Perseus.&nbsp; The EKKLHSIA is an assembly of common folks given the authority
and ability to do a specific task.&nbsp; This idea that Jesus ordained the
competing religious hierarchies now functioning as EKKLHSIA/churches is not
borne out by an examination of relevant documentation.</FONT></DIV>
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